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    If 0bysmalcurse is so great, then why are certain "favorites" being exempted for at least another year? Exempt everyone or make everyone start in Jan 2014, no exceptions or exemptions. The way it currently is, I say we defund 0bysmalcurse, and if 0bama don't like it, then shut er' down. Plenty of vacation time on my books, would prefer next summer but a nice fall vacation will work too.
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    @FordPrefect That's my big problem with him and dems in general. They always wimp out and gives in to the GOP. If the dems had 10% the back bone as GOP we'd already have single payer health care.
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    again for the thick skulls.. it's the Democrats that are shutting down the government if it happens.. reading comprehension.
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    No, I think it is both sides. Both have their interests and both will refuse to move. Regardless of which side you support, if both parties are unwilling to compromise, then both parties are responsible. But republicans will be blamed.
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    @Knightkore no they get it and they understand it and they know that Obama has been playing games with his sequester and he's going to do it again with this so-called Republican shutdown of the government. and they know that they voted and they support a prick like Obama who wants to cause as much pain to the American people as possible.. I mean what kind of a president would waive the federal law regarding supplying weapons to known International terrorist groups and known enemies of the United States? he really should be impeached if he goes forward with that.. the only reason he would waive that law is because he knows they are terrorist groups that have declared war against America and he is siding with them. no these leftists I know exactly who they are supporting and why they just play dumb here.
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    @FFS- re-read the article man. They're not shutting anything down! They're funding all government operations AND increasing the debt ceiling. The ONLY thing they're not funding is Obamacare. If Obama and the Dems shoot it down, THEY are shutting down the government.
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    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. What is this the 41st or 42nd time the republicans will fail at repealing Obamacare?

    This is what you get when you vote (R).
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    Yes it is, but they are terrified of coming home to face their belligerent tea-party constituents. At least they can check off the box they they voted no 42 times. Great use of tax payer time and dollars.
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    @Crashd1 Hopefully the American public will realize that all of this could be prevented TODAY if Boehner would put up a bill without the ridiculous Obamacare provision in it. There are more than enough votes in the house with the democrats and some of the more rational republicans to pass such a bill. What Boehner is doing is subverting the majority of congress too in order to play up to the lunatic tea bag types.
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    It's a symbolic vote. The GOP knows they can't repeal Obamacare, or defund it, or delay it. Only Obama can do that.

    The GOP is on the same side of the issue as most Americans. They don't want the IRS taking over healthcare.
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    @PNWest I see it the same way. I think the republican party is falling apart. They cannot show moderation, only extreme, and that process will push people away from the party.
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    @Crashd1 I hope so and I hope this happens as quickly as possible. Then perhaps a some sensible conservative ideas will rise out of the ashes. Until then the GOP will be headlined by the likes of Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, Ted Cruz, Louie Gohmert and the other buffoons in the clown car that is today's (R) party.
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    @NolanVoyd Hope you are correct, but this drama could be avoided. Obama could just raise the debt ceiling under the authority provided under the 14th amendment and ignore these fools. On the other hand maybe I'm not giving him enough credit. Maybe he wants them to shut down govt to hurt GOP in the mid-terms and cause further fighting in the GOP that will certianly occur when they are forced to re-open govt after their constituents start complaining.
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    @PoliticalSpice Sometimes I wish Obama would make bolder moves like that.....he often seems to cautious to me but the problem is if he acted unilatterally it would feed into the Republican's "Obama is a dictator" line, which shouldn't matter but does because so many low information voters actually beleive that nonsense in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.
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    The fool obama is willing to en-danger us all.He is in no way close to Bill clinton that found a way to negotiate after a government shut down on his watch.With obama it is my way or the highway.History will one day show exactly what he was.Much like his community organizer role that was also a complete failure.Google his lack of accomplishments.He in his own books claimed he had no idea what one even did when asked to take the position.His sad same approach to being president.
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    LOL! Republican bitterness over race is destroying them. Hope there's enough country left to save once they cause their own demise.
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    Race? Race? What in the hell does race have to do with this? Give ma break! This is about a bad law that's hurting everyone.
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    Yea, they are going to de-fund the mess. Ads for Obama not wanting to negotiate? Tell him to sit quietly until they can assemble the impeachment court and toss his dumb ass out of office.
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    Errr... The "impeachment court" is the Senate. The "jury" has a democratic majority. By all means let them try it. I have had much laughter watching the GOP crazies making fools of themselves over and over and not accomplishing their alleged goal. They are losing so often I'm begining to wonder if tea-party isn't a clever plot cooked up by the DNC...
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    @Aftermath Not as long as the GOP keeps up their antics. Three senate seats that were sure bets for the GOP have dems in them today thanks to the GOP....
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    Oh gees, here we go again. Maybe the GOP needs to take even more vacations. They have no idea just how much they are shooting themselves in the foot and doing so at the risk of thousands more dying due to inaccessible health care. Rah rich people!
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    @Hillofbeans
    Both parties ( if you actually believe in a 2-party system) are guilty of not reading proposals. But the democrats are not voting against Obama care,( the topic at hand) By "mess' did you mean the healthcare mess or the mess in general?
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    The GOP must remember to vote to fund air traffic controllers before shutdown--at least fund them til they could get out of town.
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    @Chromalord It's a mess, all of it, glad you agree there is a mess in general. We need at least four parties, imo, to try and balance out corruption, ignorance, lobbyist, and partisan bs, on a national and state level.
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    @Hillofbeans Do you not understand that our country is founded on the two party system? It's built into the constitution, otherwise it wouldn't require a majority, but a plurality. It's why every time a third party gained traction it replaced another party.
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    Wow....in 2008 the economy collapsed. People were losing their homes right and left. Construction jobs disappeared and people were out of work. Wall Street screwed the beJesus out of the mortgage industry, which in turn caused interest rates to plummet, which in turn left millions struggling with falling retirement accounts they were living off of. Hell, even poor Iceland got railroaded because it bought those bundles of crap mortgages stamped as AAA. We were in two wars, our children were being killed and maimed for nothing. Only a few years earlier 3,000 people had died horrible deaths because someone wasn't paying attention. Untold billions of dollars left this country by way of those wars...our tax dollars disappeared into a vacuum that sucked our economy right out the window....or right into the offshore bank account.

    And you say do whatever it takes to save this country? Now???? Unbelievable.
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    I had to do the third option since both sides are screwing up the budget. Obama and the Dems need their credit cards cut- up and that is the way I'm gonna lean, though. If it'll put a dent in Obamacare, too, then I'll say the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    I don't want to blatantly back the Pubs since they are screwing the pooch a bit, too, but WTH - Go Pubs!
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    And the people who will hunger and not be able to pay their rent and who won't have medical care can thank the Republicans for their suffering and remember The Party Of No Solutions is good for nothing but sharing their misery with others.
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    @Zazziness No. They can thank the warmongering progressive liberals and President Hussein Obama that insist on not compromising.....

    Time for us to realize the same administration that will lie and spy and start unjust wars cannot be trusted with the economy.....Benghazi, fast and furious, birth certificate, NSA, IRS, Obamacare and Syria.....'Nuff said.....
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    @Zazziness When Unions went on strike in the 50's it was hard. We had over 60 good years thanks to their courage and days of struggle. This admin is destroying our country, it cannot sustain itself at the current rate. Hard decisions have to be made and Repubs are doing that, Dems haven't done anything in the best interest of this country in decades, pander to the lazy, illeglas, for a vote and party.
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    @Knightkore The only thing in that list you mention that has to do with this budget is Obamacare, but hey I guess every american having insurance is just too much equality for the GOP to handle. I have a feeling this poll on here will in no way match the backlash towards the right from the general public.
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    @Knightkore What a bunch of disconnected nonsense. Mr. Obama does not personally write the federal checks and no, your rambling list of complaints is no excuse to let people starve, go without shelter or die without medical aid.

    Please, tell me a Republican fairy tale now. Maybe the one where folks in their eighties will stop slacking and get back to full-time, great paying jobs if only we cut off their food stamps.

    Or maybe the one where the lazy children go out to work in the coal mines and all become captains of industry, despite the fact they're illiterate because you shut down the schools.

    Or the favorite GOP myth -- if you leave big business alone, everything will be swell because nothing could possibly go wrong when greed is the only human motivation you recognize.

    Go ahead. Make my day.
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    This has no chance of passing the Senate. It's time for congress to grow up and do their jobs. If they don't the only thing that should be "defunded" are their salaries.
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    Republicans have no concern for the American people. They only care about their silly idealism. They simply cannot get over teh fact taht they lost on Healthcare reform!
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    “Democrats vehemently oppose delays” Hmm...Interesting. They didn't oppose Obama when he decided to delay parts of the Bill until after the mid-term election. Mr. Mark must've meant they oppose any Republican delay.

    “The president has said he won't negotiate over a debt ceiling increase”. He's going to spend more money next year then he spent this year. End of discussion. Now shut up and pay your taxes before you get an IRS audit and NSA kicks in your door.

    And don't even think about a budget. Ain't nobody got time for that.
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    The credit downgrade happened under 0bama's watch. That's how it will be remembered historically. More pay attention to who was sitting in the 0val 0ffice at the time, even if the members of CONgress represented the opposing party.
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    @MarkJM the House is constitutionally responsible for the country's budget, not the President. The S&P downgrade is squarely on the Republicans and if we have another one it, too, will be on the GOP.
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    It is critical to reign in spending. I had wanted the House to go much further. The government can fire many people that are just extraneous, close down HUD, Ed, and other agencies, stop funding farmers, sugar growers in FL. Cut all entitlements. Start phase out of Soc Sec which was always a giant Ponzi scheme. We have to start acting responsibly or we are surely headed for the trash bin of history.
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    Obama is not going to defund the health care reform he fought so hard for so this will shut down the government and put an end to the Republican Party. ALong with their problems with minorities they will not stand a chance after this.
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    Obama could give a bunch of em heart attacks by ignoring the GOP threat and raising the debt limit under the authority conferred by the 14th amnd.

    As to a govt shut down, that could hurt the GOP long term, but I think they will continue to hold the house for awhile due to gerrymander. Still it would create a further covil war in the GOP which is already dividrd on this hair-brained scheme. I would also assure the dems remain the senate majority, and could seriously weaken any chance the might have at the white house.
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    Conservatives are cowards and liars by nature. They will lie and pretend its Obama that shut down the government!
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    That's right...Obama will let the government shut down before he compromises on his 7ft tall legacy. The Repubs are funding ALL government operations AND increasing the debt limit. The only thing they're not finding is Obamacare but Obama will not compromise..in other words...Obama is choosing to let the government shut down. Not the republicans. Put down the KoolAid. Obama has been preparing this "republicans are shutting down the government" propaganda tour for a while.
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    @Slowmo No.....just like last time the public will see that the real culprit is the Republicans....of course Obama is not going to agree to defund Obama care....by putting that in Republicans are guranteeing it won't pass and it is transperant and will hurt regular americans and just like in the 90's Republicans will pay the price.

    They also have to contend with their minority problem etc......I honestly think we could be witnessing the end of the Republican party as a national player....they are going the way of the Whigs.
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    @Slowmo An HONEST person would admit that conservative KNOW this spending bill cannot pass the senate with the stipulation of defunding Obamacare! An HONEST prson would admit that repubs included it because they Intend to shut down the Government

    Nobody expects conservatives to be honest!
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    Hmm. Why do we need a debt ceiling increase (aka credit line increase)? Could it be because even with all this sequester BS we are still not actually cutting spending above what we make? Spend, spend, spend Obama and our government. Why do you care? You can write whatever you want to affect you specifically. Screw the rest of us.
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    you realize the deficit is going down right? Just because we spend more in one area does not mean that the WHOLE thing can't go down.
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    @Kptpredsfan Frankly, I have to take that claim with a grain of salt. The government's book keeping is confusing to Nobel prize winners.
  • #140
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    @Kptpredsfan Are you high? Where did you see the deficit going down? It hasn't gone down during the entire Obama administration... Or Bush either.
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    @Firestorm Learn the difference between 'deficit' and 'debt'. The deficit that Obama was handed by Bush was $1.4 trillion, it is now about $600 billion. The deficit has gone down.

    Not only that, but all this 'spending' is bills your republicans passed that we're still paying for. Not a dime of our current deficit is due to democratic bills. Get your facts straight and at least blame the right people, they are the majority in the House for god's sake.
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