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  • #2
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    We didn't have 40 million people suddenly become unable to work. Not everyone getting food stamps is incapable of working.
  • #87
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    Let's not forget our hard-working Pilgrims and how had it not been for Native Americans showing them how to fish, grow corn, hunt, etc. would have starved to death. And let us remember how we repaid THEIR kindness (my parent's didn't get here until 1939-1940, but I have read about this, lol).
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    @FordPrefect ....are you counting the under paid workers at Walmart and all other minimum wage jobs that are on food stamps? I agree that people who are capable of working should do so. Even if they can't find a job in the private sector I think people should contribute in some way for welfare. The right complains about people getting welfare, why not also complaine about the corporations paying such low wages that people need food stamps or subsities? THAT is corporate welfare.
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    @LarryV as long as there are people that will work for those wages it won't change. As long as we are subsidizing the work force the companies won't pay it. I think a long look at the Obama economic plan is overdue. He is pumping 80 billion a month in the bond market and this is the best he can do?
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    He does understand that not all food stamp recipients are bums right? If he hasn't noticed it's pretty hard to find a job in this economy even if you're trying. Pretty sure the widowed mother of 3 who's been a homemaker for 15 years, or the dock worker who broke his legs aren't just bums. Just saying.
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    Of course he hasn't noticed no one in government has because they're all EMPLOYED, why knock off the petty schoolyard crap and work together when most know they'll still be employed thanks to the hyper partisan populace?
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    @DrNickels But food stamps aren't only used by those not willing to work, just because you specify who you want to hurt, doesn't mean when you de-fund food stamps it won't hurt those who you don't, like the people who can't work or can't find work.
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    For 8 years I struggled to find people to perform work. Hard, physically demanding work that would have given these people a skill. I payed well over min. wage,+insurance premiums,+unemployment,+ workmans comp. I could never find people willing to work, they simply would not show up & work a full day for a days pay. I finally gave up because all the costs were wrecking my business. Each time that I asked why someone would not want to show up & work I was told that the work was to hard and that they had it a lot easier sitting at home waiting for the EBT card and the checks to come in...
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    @Bob72370 While that's an unfortunate situation for you that's your situation, I don't know where your business is but that's only that the people in that region. Here in MO the people will do anything for work, lift crates at Anhuaser Busch, Janitors at the zoo, Valets, Heck they even shine shoes. I don't think 40 million people are to lazy to get up and get a job, but opportunities like the ones you provided simply aren't available everywhere. And some people just aren't cut out for hard labor.
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    Luke 16:18 - Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from [her] husband committeth adultery.
    Matthew 5:27 "You have heard that it was said,'You shall not commit adultery.'
    Exodus 20:14 You shall not commit adultery.
    I see no reason why any member of the GOP should be allowed to quote the Bible when as a group they have a fundamentally flawed understanding of the words it contains.
    Then again, this is the same man who believes that abortions being legal have more to due with school shootings than guns.
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    @frigginhell
    I don't follow, adultery's a sin.... did this man say otherwise? seems to me that's the poison y'all preach....
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    @Ole_Okie I'm saying a party that can't practice what they preach should get out of the preaching business.
    Hell, I'm not even mentioning anything at all about the fact they had a father's rights terminated so they could adopt a baby without ever notifying the father that the court proceedings were underway. He's a scumbag.
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    @frigginhell although in fairness, the babies dad did kill it's mother. that's just a technicality. probably why i didn't mention it the first time.
    anyhoo, shouldn't use the bible if you can't follow it. that's all i'm saying. as a party there are far to many in the party and the democrats as well for either to claim some kind of morale authority or scream they have god's blessing in what they do. legislating in the name of god is what leads to jihads.
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    Like most conservative religious nuts, this guy doesn't even understand the passage he is quoting. It means the exact opposite of what he is trying to say!
  • #108
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    The quote this zealot is using was from the letter of Paul to the Thessalonians. When Paul cane to town, the local Christian congregation would have a large feast. The WEALTHY people in that area would attend the feast because they assumed their social status would allow then to do so without helping in any way.

    Pauls point was that Wealthy people need to do their part.

    Its too bad the zealots don't understand the drivel they spew!
  • #254
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    uhhuh
    you ever been unemployed?
    you ever been to these places where they help you get a job?
    I went cause I wanted a job, I met all these types that were forced to go cause if they didn't go then daddy welfare wouldn't go neither
    so I got to know these people, I watched em, I got myself workin' again, in time
    many of them never did, I was never on benefits, I refused em
    now this woman that used to work there, I got to know her, a friend of mine
    she quot just last mondy, said she got sick of em, she'd schedule an appointment and they'd wriggle out
    she'd help em write up resumes and they'd never write a word
    she'd find em job interviews and they wouldn't turn up
    she'd even get them jobs and they wouldn't turn up to the job, which not only makes them look repulsive but makes that employer pissed with her for wasting his time,
    now I have a part-time job, now, I hate it, but i'll be damned if I don't work it
    i'm goin' on a 890 mile drive to find me a job next week, it'll take me 2-3 days and hundreds of dollars, that's what I expect others to do
    y'know what mark? you got no clue
    and that's the truth
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    @FFS-
    whatever you say bucko
    and when the bible says "its easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to make the gloryland"
    what does that mean? is it your shallow meaning or is there many meanings.. deep meanings, wisdoms to be found?
    you talk loudly in your hate but never with neither respect nor earnestness, that aint Christlike
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    @Ole_Okie The eye of the needle is a term used to describe the night gate in the city walls, which is only big enough for a man to go through single file? Thats pretty basic knowldge!

    Its not possible to be both Christian and conservative. You should choose one or the other!
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    An over-enlarged government state, excess spending, complacency among the public due to lack of pride, motivation, opportunity and excess bread, wine and entertainment, all led to the fall of the Roman Empire.

    Once again, history repeats itself. America is in decline, and Obama and his rich Socialist backers are encouraging the fall of America, so it may be sliced up and sold at a profit.
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    @Concerned_Cit I Rarely disagree with you, but, Obama is not going to slice America up and sell it at a profit. No, he is going to destroy it and laugh about how well he fundamentally changed America and achieved Social Justice.
  • #180
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    Most food stamps go to
    - The impoverished elderly
    - People who are disabled
    - Children
    - Adults already working a full time job but at so low a wage they are under the poverty level

    Will cutting off their food stamps make the old grow young? Will the disabled suddenly be cured? Will children instantly become adults and get jobs?

    Let's deal with reality. Just for once.
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    @Zazziness how about cutting off all the career welfare beggars those who fully able to work yet never done a thing other than breed like a rat and get paid for it.
    just like state paid prostitution.
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    That's it. I'm taking a cattle prod to my neighbor down the street. Living the life of Riley puttering around in his yard on that riding lawn mower (nothing better to do with your time?), falling asleep in his recliner or in a chair on his porch (must be nice!). I don't know how many times I've seen him make some kid shovel snow (physical labor? hell no!!) so he can get out of his house and catch a ride with someone (can't afford a car?) to go into town for whatever (more wasted time). I don't care that he IS 89 years old, I'm tired of having to drag my ass out of bed to work so he can eat. He can get a job SOMEWHERE!!!!
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    @Denizen_Kate Exactly! This politician use the word "willing" not "able." I say if he can ride that riding lawn mower he can be cutting grass and making money and not wheezing off of food stamps dammit.
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    @jamayla
    straw man argument
    you insult yourself,
    go on, string up the straw man, he weren't never living no way
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    There are certainly a lot of people who take advantage of the system, as well as there are people who need it. The issue is how do we discard the lazy freeloaders without harming those in genuine need.
    That's what this argument is completely about, and they both miss it. "I was hungry and you fed me, I was thirsty and you gave me a drink" describes helping someone in actual need. "If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat" hinges on the word "willing" and describes someone who is genuinely lazy.

    So why not figure out how to make the two things actually work together, instead of just hurling insults at each other and trying to make each other look sinister?
  • #668
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    Those stop gaps are already in place. Collecting benefits isn't as easy as going to the local office and adding ones name to a list. The proof has to be given there is a legit reason to collect benefits.

    Everyone knows "someone able to work and doesn't deserve benefits" is probably about 75% bs. The hordes of freeloaders dragging the economy down is more bs.

    Freeloaders didn't create our current economy. Lehman Brothers and Ford going bankrupt did and were permitted to do so by deregulating Wall Street.

    This BS about Social Security and food stamps dragging us down is just that,,, BS. Conservatives hate social programs with a purple passion, evidently especially when a social program is designed by a man of color. Why? I dunno. I guess they think everyone can be wealthy and retire as multi millionaires, never become disabled or lose their jobs.

    I actually think they're sociopaths that got elected because a bunch of other sociopaths voted for them.

    I give thanks daily they only have an 11% approval rating.
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    Nothing like a Congressman telling the poor they don't work hard enough. Check out prices they pay for food, hair cuts, gym membership and the fact they have a 24/7 medical clinic in the building if you are in DC or are lucky enough to have one of the honest ones.
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    The GOP congressmen should not be eating . They are doing nothing. A bunch of vultures making money from the tax payers , with the best health care plan. They should be the last ones throwing stones. Republicans suck.
  • #186
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    AMEN to this post. Republicans tend to group all poor people into one group....lazy, good-for-nothing parasites who do not deserve to live, much less eat. They do not take it into consideration that millions have received food stamps since 2008 when the economy almost tanked. These are hard-working people who want jobs to feed their families. A lot of these people have been unable to find jobs. All they get from members of the Tea Party and
    Republican party is scorn. This is so sad.
  • #8
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    He is calling for starving babies and little children. I think he truly believes that if a baby does not work it is not entitled to eat.
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    @FordPrefect If they're on that program they might not have the best education, and you can't get a real career without some college education, but college costs money, which they don't have. So yeah.
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    @Ironicguy I've been as poor as a person can be. Hunger was a great motivator. You can make excuses but it comes down to how bad a person wants to do better.
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    @FordPrefect
    So if parents don't work it is justified to starve the baby? Sorry but our laws don't work that way and should never work that way. This GOP'er is nuts.
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    It's probably just a coincidence that Rep Cramer's district has received over $10 billion in farm subsidies, making him the representative for the biggest example of "not working for benefits" imaginable. http://goo.gl/7RCyjm
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    Oh gees, here we go again with some idiotic politician standing behind a bible. I dont condone using religion to leverage foolish political behavior but seeing this clueless moron opened up that can of worms he is fair game now. Fact: There are over 300 verses on the poor, social justice and God's deep concern for both. I guess his one assertion from the new testament taken out of context makes him a credible voice for the almighty.
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    To the rich man, take all that you have and give to the poor. Today's government, take all that you can from the poor and increase the riches of the rich. Here is a link that says just how much they have gained, while everyone else is "eating cake"

    America's Richest Reach Highest Value Ever

    Forbes' new list of the 400 wealthiest Americans shows the super-rich group has a combined net worth of $2.02 trillion, up from $1.7 trillion a year ago and the highest combined value ever.

    Their net worth is more than double what the top 400 had in assets a decade ago, and is about equal to the GDP of Russia.

    Forbes attributed the increase in wealth to strong stock and real estate markets.

    "Five years after the financial crisis sent fortunes of many in the U.S. and around the world tumbling, the wealthiest as a group have finally gained back all that they lost," Forbes stated.

    The average net worth of list members is $5 billion, also a new record.

    The new Forbes list comes amid reports that the income gap between the richest 1 percent of Americans and the rest of the country last year reached its widest point since 1927. The top 1 percent collected 19.3 percent of household income, including wages, pension payments, dividends, and capital gains, and the top 10 percent earned a record 48.2 percent of total earnings.

    Microsoft Corp. co-founder Bill Gates remains America's richest individual, taking the top spot on the Forbes list for the 20th straight year with $72 billion and reclaiming the top spot on the list of the world's richest people from Mexico's Carlos Slim.

    Investor Warren Buffett is again No. 2, with $58.5 billion, up $12.5 billion from last year.

    Next is Oracle Corporation co-founder Larry Ellison with $41 billion, followed by industrialists Charles Koch and David Koch, each with $36 billion. The next four spots go to members of the Walton family, who share the Wal-Mart fortune. New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg is No. 10, with $31 billion.

    Casino magnate Sheldon Adelson is No. 11 with $28.5 billion, followed by Amazon.com founder Jeff Bezos, who recently bought the Washington Post. He is worth $27.2 billion.

    The "poorest" members of the 400 are 15 individuals each worth $1.3 billion. The bar for making the list is now so high that 61 American billionaires didn't make the cut.
  • #128
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    @Hillofbeans they are doing a divide and conquer tactic. they want us fighting and blaming each other so they can continue their little game which got us here in the first place. and the vote on this page indicates that they were able to do it again, because they did this in the original great depression... successfully might i add.
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    @Hillofbeans

    Excellent post. And while people sit and condemn a baby getting a crust of bread, they don't realize that the economy is all relevant. If the poverty level rises it means everyone's standard of living shrinks. So some of these arrogant fools may think they're living in high clover, but as the lower class continues to fall, so does the middle class, even the upper middle class. The ONLY people not being affected are the wealthy. Anyone who isn't very, very rich should be very, very worried.
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    @DARSB
    that was a case of blatant child neglect. I didn't get the impression that the parents had no access to food for their child.
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    You wont. They will call it malnutrition-related failure. Just like vets who received more treatment when it was called Shell Shock as opposed to the much softer and clinical sounding: Post traumatic Stress Disorder. Besides, why does someone have to die to make the problem real?
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    @Chromalord
    Look around you, most Americans today are fatties. Young, old, rich, poor, it's all the same story. I just don't see access to food being an issue in America. Excess food is the bigger problem.
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    Thanks for pointing out how much of a success that the SNAP programs been so far. As a country we are exceptional in our ability to feed our hungry and poor. It's something to be proud of. I am so glad you're on board and agree with us how well this fine program has been working to keep the instances of this occurring as it would in some third world African nation.
    Let's keep it up.
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    Kevin Cramer is what you get when you vote (R). A hypocritical scumbag that wraps himself in the flag and the Bible while he takes food out of the mouths of poor children while granting subsidies to profitable corporations.
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    What you get when you vote (D), between 4 to 10 times more illegals than we had just 4 short years ago, which is directly related to the above, which is why there is now many problems.......
  • #95
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    @Hillofbeans Blah blah blah blah Christian values. Blah blah blah blah blah illegals. Blah. Blah blah blah blah blah brown people.
  • #404
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    @Hillofbeans Illegal immigration is at net zero under Obama. Millions came across the border during the Bush administration, and Reagan gave millions more amnesty. If you want progress on curbing illegal immigration, vote dem. Fact.
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    @jdl51 @RandomTask - Good posts.@Hillofbeans - thanks for the uncredited homage to my "That's what you get when you vote (R)".
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    Here's one the congressman missed---

    "Go to the ant, you sluggard; consider its ways and be wise!
    It has no commander, no overseer or ruler, yet it stores its provisions in summer
    and gathers its food at harvest. How long will you lie there, you sluggard?
    When will you get up from your sleep?" Pr. 6: 6-9.

    Obviously, this scripture is not referring to the poor and destitute, but the "sluggard" (good-for-nothing). Which lives off of the largess of the gubment Sow at the expense of the hard working taxpayers!
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    Well, the Establishment clause notwithstanding, this guy is remarkably vile, even by Tea Party standards. He doesn't seem to like the Gospel in which Jesus creates the precursors of both Obamacare and SNAP,

    "13 When Jesus heard what had happened, he withdrew by boat privately to a solitary place. Hearing of this, the crowds followed him on foot from the towns. 14 When Jesus landed and saw a large crowd, he had compassion on them and healed their sick.

    15 As evening approached, the disciples came to him and said,“This is a remote place, and it’s already getting late. Send the crowds away, so they can go to the villages and buy themselves some food.”

    16 Jesus replied,“They do not need to go away. You give them something to eat.”

    17 “We have here only five loaves of bread and two fish,” they answered.

    18 “Bring them here to me,” he said. 19 And he directed the people to sit down on the grass. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the people. 20 They all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over. 21 The number of those who ate was about five thousand men, besides women and children." Matthew 14:13-21
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    What you are quoting is Jesus taking a small amount of food and multiplying it so everyone could eat. The government takes food from me and DIVIDES it among people who have not even worked up an appetite. The govt. is not God, even though they sure would like to be.
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    @CATTLEPROD "The government takes food from me"

    Seriously? The SNAP cuts would kick a half million poor kids out of free school lunch programs and you're the victim?
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    @DARSB Has their mom (I cant say dad, most welfare kids don't know who their dad is), ever thought of packing them a sandwich out of the monthly food stamp budget? Why is it the taxpayers job to feed, house, and educate other peoples kids?
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    @CATTLEPROD The vast majority of food stamp recipients are white, but good effort trying to secretly wedge that Reagan welfare queen crap in.
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    Congress doesn't work. Can we keep them from eating?

    But seriously. Anyone who uses the Bible to justify removing assistance to the disenfranchised must be repeatedly reminded that the Bible was also used to justify slavery, but that never made it right.
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    Why not? Lunatic Leftist trolls quote Bible verses to quilt trip everyone who wants to cut funding to food stamps. Of course, I forget... the Lunatic Leftist mindset... don't use their own ways of arguing against them.
  • #135
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    "Lunatic Leftist trolls quote Bible verses" See comment #108 on this thread. At least the "Lunatic Leftist trolls" quote quote those bible verses correctly.
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    @Denizen_Kate I was going to say. When was the last time a conservatives politician quote the bible without somehow contradicting himself?

    Personally, if you find the need to quote the bible to further push your argument instead of logic, common sense and reality, you probably already lost and should give it up.
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    @Denizen_Kate He didn't quote anything, he just gave his interpretation of that verse.

    I've read it several times and I got a very different meaning than FFS. What I read was that those who are capable of working should work to support and feed themselves, not to be a burden on others just because they don't want to put in the effort. Those who are working are setting the example for those who are not to follow.

    That's exactly what Representative Cramer was saying, that's what the Republicans did. Those who are capable of working but choose not to should not continually get free meals, work for it. It's similar to the welfare reforms in 90's under Clinton. To quote a website:

    "Moore said that the reforms would ensure that eligible able adults without children must work or receive job training to receive nutrition assistance. The GOP’s proposed reforms would also scale back the funds allotted to the Agriculture Department to promote SNAP with the aim of expanding the number of food stamp recipients. Finally, Moore added, the reforms would tighten eligibility requirements to reduce the instances of fraud."

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/wsjs-mary-kiss...

    Sounds like a smart idea to me.
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    We are no longer the nation of our fathers. Instead of workers we sitters. Instead of tax payers we are tax eaters. We need to train our youth on the virtues of hard work. That the way out of poverty is through hard work, courage and determination.
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    "That the way out of poverty is through hard work, courage and determination."

    If that was true the middle class would be dominated by middle-aged Hispanic men with leaf blowers.
  • #660
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    Don't think so. . . Forest Fire Fighters and Fracers would have a big say. . I've done both. I'm retired and still do both. Hardest jobs ever. @DARSB
  • #53
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    Jobs are hard to come by atm, with the economy! I have searched for almost a year, with applications in a t stores, fast food places, temp agencies. SO i guess due to a wide scale layoff, people should just starve, and their families die?
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