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    The republicans of course, they are the ones that have the brains. The liberals are just sitting back drinking beer smokin' dope and eating Doritos.
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    At first I thought you were being sarcastic but then I realized you probably don't even know what that means.
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    The GOP house members are doing what the people want them to do for a change and the president can't understand that. When he insults them he is insulting those voters. The idea of actually representing the people is confusing for him but maybe he will figure that out soon.
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    No, they are doing what a small fraction of people want them to do. The tea party does not make up the majority of the people and they have shown themselves to be a danger to the nation. They are interested in grandstanding, not governing. Extremism in any form is never good. The ACA was passed into law as our Constitution mandated. Holding the country hostage because you don't like that it passed shows a complete disregard of the Constitution and democracy. And no, your response to that can't be "Obamacare is unconstitutional." The Supreme Court said it is constitutional.
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    The GOP may represent many Americans, but they do not represent the majority with regard to Obamacare. The majority voted for Obama and the health care law less than a year ago. You may not want to face that fact by trying to undermine the resultant consequences but you lost. Simple as that.
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    @Russell797 that is the cheap answer. The fact is Obama has changed the law arbitrarily to grant exemptions for certian groups AFTER the election. So if you voted for Obama solely to get obamacare then you are not getting what you voted for. You had a bait and switch pulled on you. You don't think everyone should have to abide by this law? Or just those that were not given exemptions?
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    @Lawgone read my answer above. But thanks for the concern over the constitution. I will remember that the next time I hear calls for assault weapons bans and background checks. That was voted on and defeated just like the constitution calls for. And it lost.
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    @FordPrefect I want universal health care. That's what I voted for. We didn't get it. We got this substitute ( a Republican idea ) as a concession. It stinks, but it is better than the nothing we had before..

    When you refer to exemptions do you mean not having to pay the penalty tax for non compliance? That is a delay for businesses which have dropped the ball already in their preparation. Everyone with insurance coverage already is exempt.
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    The Democrats are refusing to negotiate; the president has promised to veto any legislation that doesn't give him his way. That is infantile petulance. Fully 67% of the voters do not want to be forced into Obamacare. Yet Obama tyrannically insists on forcing them against their will anyway. Have you seen the photo of seven Republican negotiators sitting at a table devoid of Democrats? That half empty table says it all. The Democrats are at fault here, determine to force us to obey them. It is not the Republicans who are behaving like children here.
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    @harold_lloyd They have already done that. The continuing resolutions are passing the House and being dumped in the Senate. And by the way, here is the ultimate in pouting from our boy emperor wannabe: the White House is directly responsible for closing the WWII Veteran's Memorial when they KNEW an Honor Flight was coming.
    http://standwitharizona.com/blog/2013/10/02/w...
    I have been watching what the Democrats DO for forty years. I have NO respect for them, and I never will.
    http://twitchy.com/2013/10/02/barry-cades-con...
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    @Realthinker -- I hate to burst your bubble, but do we really need your respect?? Prrrrrrrrrobably not... snicker, snicker, snort!
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    @Dakotahgeo As I always say, Liberalism is immaturity, cloaked with the pretense of moral and intellectual superiority.
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    How many different parties have been granted exemptions from ACA already? Congress and staffers, some businesses, some Unions, some has been put off until 2014, so, how hard would be for this admin and Dems to give Repubs something other than "I will not". The blame is on Obama, who is the leader-child.
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    Except that's not what happened. The bill originated in the house, was amended by the senate, and Boehner refuses to vote on the amended bill from the Senate. Obama literally has nothing to do with this at this point. The ones stating "I will not" are the Republicans in the House who refuse to vote on the bill from the Senate.
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    This isn't really about the PPACA any more, it's about who is afraid of whom.

    It looks like the bullies just got backed down.
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    I still think it's a good opportunity to shitcan the lifers on both sides. this is the result of people in both houses on both sides of the isle who have been there so long and staked out positions and territories that have been handed down from predecessors and not one of them remembers that they are supposed to work for the people... every single one of them as it ass backwards and believes that the people work for them regardless of their decisions.. I wish the American people would call all sides involved in this and tell them to get out!
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    That may not be such a bad idea! I think of all these crazy Republican economy drainers from KS and MO!!!
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    It appears most people are actually blaming Obama more in our local polls...and they're right about that. This will go over like gun control did for the Dem's in the end.
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    The republicans are truly representing the people. The democrats and Obama are doing just what they did on gun control and going against the people.
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    I guess I'm not a person, right? This is a democracy and that means occasionally your views are not going to match the majority. When that happens, if you respect democracy, you must accept it or garner enough votes to change it. The Republicans have literally ground the government to a halt in an attempt to circumvent democracy. It's disgusting and goes against the principles that America stands for.
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    @Russell797 These are some examples of what I do not want to live with not counting Bengazi, the Fast and the Furious, NSA, Holder, NSA, etc. Just because he was elected doe not make him king. The representatives are the voice of the people to keep his goat smellin ass in check. We have impeached presidents before-not a problem. Tell me that you support the above scandals and this link below.

    http://americanoverlook.com/obamas-government...
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    @MadAmerican Benghazi wasn't a scandal, F&F wasn't a scandal, and the NSA is continuing what they did from the last administration. Anything else you'd like to bring in from the right wing bubble?
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    And what exactly is Obama supposed to do? Nothing has made it to his desk. The GOP created the bill in the house, the Senate amended it, passed it and sent it back, then the House refused to vote on the amended bill and instead sent the original bill back to the Senate. To think this is Obama's fault is absolutely ridiculous.
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    @AceLuby No its not all the jerks fault his cronies in the senate share the blame.His problem as it was as a community organizer that he also had no success at is in over his head or the fact his plan is to destroy not just change America.
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    @miketost The senate amended the bill and sent it back. That's what their job is and what they did. You're living in an alternate reality and don't seem to understand the bill creation process. Obama has done his job, the senate has done their job, the house refuses to do their job, yet you blame the people actually doing their job because you don't like the results. How typical.
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    @AceLuby How many bills has the congress sent that the fool reid did not even allow to be voted on in the senate?LOL you chose to pick one reference to support the jerk and reid that both have turned a blind eye for the betterment of America.You fall right in there sadly.
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    @miketost According to House & Senate GOP members, it's the fault of 30-40 hard core Tea soaked fanatics. Crazies who are playing out the delusional defunding concept to the harm of the entire part and every citizen in the USA.
    . After 40 votes to defund all rejected, wasn't it a great surprise to have it rejected again?
    Thwaw political juveniles, who have no end game in mind and if this continues to default on the national debt, they'll he hell to pay. I can't believe the GOP hasn't begun and effort to primary these fools "who know not what they do"
    The shut down at the moment is harming government employee's and those who use their services. Now we start paying them unemployment and other entitlements. Their salaries are out of the economy.; I suggest you look up the "multiplier effect" in Econ 101
    Failure to pay the debt. What do bank do when the lend to a person with a bad credit rating ... they charge more a higher interest rate right? Do you think our lenders are any different.
    Realize of course the debt was incurred by conducting wars on terror and poverty programs, while cutting taxes and funding non of it. This isn't all Obama debt, but we will pay and pay dearly for the actions of these few idiots
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    I am amazed at how many GOP supporters here believe that somehow the democrats will be blamed for this. What fantasy world do you live in as the democrats are never the sole blame for anything in Washington? I guess it helps when you have ABC, CBS and NBC on your side. Yesterday the headlines should have been about the crashing of the Obamacare websites, but instead it was about the government shutdown. Not only will the GOP get blamed for the shutdown, but the democrats will soon be blaming the problems on the implementation of Obamacare on the Republicans. If Obamacare is as bad as they say, the GOP should push for its implementation so folks can see what is in the bill, after all it is law without any GOP support or input. The fighting on Obamacare is going to give the low information voter the perception that the problem with Obamacare is not the law but the GOP that fights it at every turn. So even though not one GOP voted for Obamacare, they will get blamed for the failure of Obamacare. I truly believe the scarecrow has more brains than the GOP.
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    Largely agree with you however something struck me about the Repubs allowing Obamacare to proceed and self destruct.
    Wouldn't that be analogous to a fire department allowing a building burn to the ground to demonstrate the destructiveness of fire?
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    @Frankiez Yeah but if the building needed to be burnt to the ground in the first place, let her burn I say.
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    @IMAQT Should have qualified my point my inserting that building was critical for the welfare,safety and betterment of the community
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    The politicos sounded worse than children way before the shutdown. Cruz, Rand & other teaparty reps aren't career politicians like the rest. They are true public servants.
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    Rand Paul? Seriously? He comes from a family of career politicians. Might as well claim the Kennedy's and Bush's aren't career politicians.
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    You really believe that? Well, your true public servants seem to have no regard for the tenants of democracy and have shut down our government and made us look like fools in the eyes of the world. If you say to that, "good, it was needed" then you don't respect democracy either.
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    @AceLuby Rand is not a career politician. His father was in politics but that has nothing to do w/ rand.
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    @Lawgone Oh, please! The prez has done so much damage to our reputation it may be beyond repair even w/ our good teaparty guys efforts. Foreign leaders already believe obama is incompetent. For those of us who have been paying attention we see him for the radical he is. And if you want to talk about laughing stocks, i have 2 words for you, JOE BIDEN!
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    @Politix, I had not pressed the vote option but it says I voted for one of the options. I've read comments that other people are having this problem. This might be a bug y'all would want to look into fixing.
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    @Libertyiskey Seems to be a bug with the iOS apps being too sensitive on the touch screen...yesterday they said they were working on it. I've never had the problem using desktop Vista/Win7 and Firefox yet...just iOS devices.
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    Its a new feature!!

    I haven't tried posting from my smartphone lately and I suspect that's who's having the most issues.
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    Same issue here. I've "voted" on several things the past few days that I did not wan to. Just sucks because I still like to read the articles and debates but need to proceed with extra causation now when scrolling down...
    :-/
  • #52
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    They're coming out with a new car for the republicans that comes with a "Cruz" control. Whenever the car turns right it shuts down.
  • #36
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    Conservatives use underhanded means to deface and malign everything they disagree with. From the EPA, global warming to health care this is the way they operate. Experts at manipulating public opinion with disinformation.
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    I expected better from you. I'm disappointed. Do you really want to talk about underhanded tactics with Obama ? Talk to Blanche Loncoln ousted democrat senator.
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    @FordPrefect I understand I have made a serious charge, but I stand by it. Politics is a dirty business. I'm not claiming either side to be more on the up and up than the other, just that I have dealt directly with the conservative approach in my association with the science supporting global climate change. People do what they have to do to protect their vested interest. The conservative operatives happen to be very effective in influencing public opinion. They are a formidable foe.
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    @Russell797 just to cut the bs. I know you want universal health care. But don't you want healthcare that works? Or is dmv medicine good enough for you? You know good and well the ACA isn't what you were promised. Why defend it so adamantly?
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    @FordPrefect It's hilarious we both think the otherside resorts to skulduggery to push their agenda. I've seen it demonstrated many times where no amount of underhanded tactics proved successful.
    Just look at what's going on in DC today.
    Also,we send the brightest and most brilliant to serve us and all they do is serve their own sel interests.
    Finally,I know who REALLY resorts to skulduggery...but I'm not saying.
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    @FordPrefect Your right. I don't like the ACA. However, it's a foot in the door. Insurance and consequently health care is far to expensive. If we do nothing, more and more people will become financially unable to afford health care in this country. Employer provided insurance is braking the back of both business and government, leaving far to many uninsured. Access to medicine is basically unfordable to the vast majority of people in this country absent insurance. Of what value is a commodity if most people can not afford it? That commodity happens to be the product of modern medical science.

    I defend the ACA because with a history of failed attempts going back over 60 years due to opponents of anything but the status quo, we finally have something that breaks the mold at helping the people of this country escape from an increasingly unfordable yet essential product.
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    The most outrageous nonesense has come from House Republicans. By comparison, the Democrats look like statesmen!
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    Based on the credible facts, President, Democrats, and the many GOP supporters of funding PPACA are right. GOP "leadership", Boehner, knows well there is support in Congress to fund PPACA(that's Obamacare)and end shut-down, and it is why he won't allow it to come to a floor vote.
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    I wonder if the same argument could be used against Harry Reid and the Democrat Senators. The facts on the table - "The Senate voted on 54-46 along strict party lines to strip the proposed amendments from the spending bill" - so no.

    OK, let's look at the HOR - 232 Republicans in a house 435. In order for a clean CR to pass, 15 of the Rs would have to switch. As of now, I am only aware of 9 R's who are ready to pass such a measure (one from a VA district where half his constituency is now unemployed-aka temporary paid vacation). Of course the Hastert rule will prevent that vote from ever hitting the floor.
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    @DerivePI
    Actually it is 12 Republicans now ready to pass measure with 5 more leaning. These are just the known ones. The Senate position is actually a more accurate representation of where most of House of Representatives stands, but many are afraid they will suffer political harm is they oppose shut-down and funding of Obamacare(PPACA).

    So no, the argument does not work in the reverse.
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    @DerivePI

    ...and it will come up for a vote, the only question is how much damage will be done to the nation and the Republican party before it does.
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    I believe the most recent request from the House was to delay the individual mandate, which President Obama has already done for Congress, their staff and employers...why is it so difficult to give the little guy a year hiatus? People still need to get insurance...just not be penalized for not getting it going the first year of the laws meat and potatoes from being implimented...
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    Spin it? The house passed a bill, the senate amended the bill, passed it, and sent it back. The house refuses to vote on the amended bill. How you hold the Senate responsible when they are doing their jobs is beyond me. And how you blame the President who hasn't had a bill cross his desk is ridiculous. The only 'spin' is coming from the right because if you actually state it like it actually happened the Republicans look stupid.
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    You can say that all you want, but the American people see it differently.

    Check back after the 2014 elections.
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    As much as Republicans will say it ain't so, this is their baby.

    They would love to be able to inflict amnesia on the American people, but in fact they brought this upon themselves, and they dragged the people into it with them.

    The more they hold out, the more they will cry in 2014.
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    I agree, reports say they were even "giddy" (their word) about it.

    "House Republicans shut down the federal government Monday night. When House Republicans took their last vote rejecting the Continuing Resolution passed by the Senate knowing the result was a government shutdown, cheers rang out in the Republican caucus. Some Republican House members were “giddy” and comparing themselves inappropriately to 9/11 heroes, chanted “let’s roll.”
    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_a_constitut...

    Reachel Maddow also pointed out there "giddiness" very effectively, although I know all the people on the right will attack her instead of the points she makes.
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/maddow-takes-down-...
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    @NolanVoyd

    It's like the issue isn't the PPACA any more, it's just a test of wills.

    It's a hell of a way to run a govt.
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    I agree, but the democrats cannot negotiate on this because of the precedent it would set. It would destroy the democratic process if congress started renegotiating all of their pet peaves in exchange for passing budgets.

    Imagine the outcry if democrats told a Republican senate and President that we won't fund the government unless you increase funding to planned parenthood, pass strong national gun control measures, and raise taxes.

    Ridiculous. This is not the place for such negotiations and caving would set a precedent that would be really bad for the country.
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    @NolanVoyd

    The Dems finally realized that there will be no compromise, and are acting accordingly.

    The 2014 elections will tell us how the voters took it.
  • #50
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    There may be a government shutdown, but congress is still getting paid! Everyone of them should be at work on the hill. Not taking a paid vacation via the shutdown. The house is right in disparaging the senate for not being at work! The House of Representatives are there to work. The Senate should also be there to work. They haven't been defunded! They are still getting paid! If you are getting paid, you should be at work! Period! No one else in this country can do what the senate is doing! If your being paid, you show up at work! If you do not show up at work you do not get paid and will most likely get fired. The same should hold true for all of congress!
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    They are holding out by any means necessary. Keep it up. I will not participate. Not socialist programs, led by dubious persons, from questionable beginnings. Puppets..all of them..
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