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    Those damn RINO's.......shutting down the government as a "means to defund Obamacare'"
    Are you sure it's the RINO's that are doing this?
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    It is not a good thing....it is a great thing....as stubborn and intransigent as those SOB's are, they can't continue to ignore the handwriting on the wall.....calamity is coming for the GOP....there is a price to pay for right wing rigidity. The most recent Gallup poll shows a 28% approval for the GOP...THE LOWEST EVER RECORDED.....SEE'YA IN NOVEMBER OF 2014.
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    Vance, didnt you read the article? The whole point was that these rich gop doners are pissed about the shut down and pissed at the so called real conservatives who caused it. They say they will only be giving money to select republicans who get it (in other words they will only be giving money to RINO, s)........face it vance your side is losing badly.
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    You know, it's funny. Some think the Republican party has gone too far right. I think the party hasn't gone far enough to the right. It's still far too centrist for me. Trillions in debt is what decades of voting (D) will get you.

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    "In the age of the obama, liberals are a threat to America!"

    - Neo
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    Yep. All it takes is people not buying into the "there are only 2 ways to vote!" mantra. They could actually choose the better man instead of "the lesser of two evils"
    Think it will happen? Yah, I won't hold my breath either.
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    It's no wonder people hate the tea party. Big money hates them because they can't be bought (unlike the left and the right), the liberals hate them because they have a backbone and don't waffle, and other republicans hate them because they make them look weak and unwilling to stick to their principles.
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    That's a remarkably unrealistic assessment. "Can't be bought"? Dick Armey and I shared a quiet chuckle over that. "Have a backbone and don't waffle"? That's great, I suppose, but when having that backbone means you're still carrying on about the "Kenyan President" 5 years later that's maybe the worst kind of "backbone" to have.

    The Tea Party is a fringe group on the edges of the GOP. Judson Phillips made a great deal of noise in 2009 about the TP being a "movement", not a party, and its umbilical to the establishment Republican party remains intact.

    This week, that GOP's favorability rating in Gallup's tracking poll bottomed at 28%. No other party has cratered so dramatically in modern times. http://goo.gl/2FFk

    The old "If they hate us we must be right" idea is comforting in times like these, but it won't do a thing to reverse the revulsion with which Americans currently view the Tea Party and its Republican enablers.
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    @DARSB This week the president's approval dropped to 37%.

    The fact the left whines so much about the tea Party DOES mean something. It means the left knows the enemy to their stupid agenda.
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    @DARSB it might be that finally mass public disapproval has had an effect on politicians decision making, it doesn't really matter anyways though, one of the biggest cogs in the machine of stupidity is the first one that will turn when they start the government again... i am referring to the bill they all agreed (preemptively) to pass allowing the wall street bankers to gamble with tax payer money and social securities. this was supported by almost all of them, regardless of whether they claim to be blue or red.

    DARSB you're one of few sober minded ones on this website
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    It amazes me how many people just don't get it! We can't keep making the same mistakes over & over & expecting different results. Our national debt has been growing for decades during good times & bad & raising the debt limit just keeps the insanity going. WE MUST TAKE A STAND! When our two party system is broken & the Democrat party has become socialists, there is no common ground other than SPENDING SPENDING SPENDING on the socialists welfare voting block. When 50% of Americans pay no taxes & want Government to take care of them, the Socialist party will never negotiate or compromise before or after the shutdown. They no longer fear the tax payers because we are the minority. Unless all tax payers come together & scream in one voice CUT SPENDING & quit blaming the party of sanity, our nation is done for.
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    you realize the major problem is corporate control and not anything you mentioned, though it does play a role... it's really only tertiary, not even secondary.
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    @Paultron So you are saying that the corporate makes people pull the lever to vote for democrats? When the poll questions are asked it is the corporate that makes people blame the GOP more for the shutdown? Romney said it all when he mentioned the 47% who pay no taxes & will vote for the Democrats no matter what he says or does. Does the corporate make the GOP always try to cut spending & cut taxes while the Democrats always want to raise spending & taxes?
    I will agree it is big money that helps fund election campaigns & influence bills in Congress but when it comes to who people vote for, it is all about the power of biased media & our new age culture that wants others to support them.
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    the GOP lost the vote, they keep saying that the democrats won't negotiate BUT they did already. they cut 80 billion from the plan, it just so happens most people are beginning to realize the tea party and most of the GOP have been lying
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    I said a couple of weeks ago that the shutdown would continue until the rich folks got nervous and began to squeeze the parties. Until then they could give a diddly what we thought or if it affected us. If one didn't think Money talked until then, well....
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    I'm certain they are noticing "the masses" are starting to "bond." This poses very big problems for the huge corps and their elected minions. Lets see if their greed blinds them or if finally Boehner and his ilk finally found their .alls.
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    @Penn1699 - It may be such that it's more than just the rich folks in the U.S. It's serious enough that the global markets are beginning to take notice. More pressure.
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    @Rocker I was reading about this very thing. May not get pressure from globals. Think they may benefit from a default is what Business Insider was indicating. If Wall Street sees they can benefit more from that you better believe the rats will be jumping the sinking ship.
    One can be hopeful:)
    Making the middle class poor by taxing them to give to the poorer, makes the rich, ultra high value rich. Their numbers and fortunes are growing greater than ever. While "the masses" are exponentially getting poorer.
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    you know what bud, here in canada even with the laws for lobbying that keeps it relatively controlled... we still have issues with lobbying influence... like voice and authority, i think i have literally just changed my mind on the matter right now. i would rather no lobbying, period.
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    @Paultron "i would rather no lobbying, period." Period. I'm with you on that! It's a total undermining of the voice of voters. I wish it were a criminal offense.
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    @ SAS86 : So who do you want big money to throw their money to then? You do understand that attack adds don't pay for themselves? If big money sits out next years election and republicans lose control of the house giving it back to Pelosi .... would this be worth it?
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    @JimCO55 Perhaps big money could act responsibly. Supporting the old boys club RINOs is no longer responsible, since they obviously can not accomplish anything.
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    @Hillofbeans If big money wants to do something worthwhile they could try educating the electorate about the issues and why borrow, spend, and borrow some more doesn't work.
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    @Slowmo I think it's the right word, the young people are over whelming liberal and now the GOP is losing it's key demographics, the Christians, the elderly, the wealthy and the south. Virginia is almost blue.... Virginia. It's only a matter of time before they become the 3rd party and the Libertarians take over. The GOP hasn't changed it's platform since the 60's. If it hasn't changed yet, it's not going to change.
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    @Ironicguy "young people are over whelming liberal"...well take into account how informed that decision likely is. And you know what they say, old Republicans were young Democrats.
    Also, if libertarians rise up out of the GOP establishment, so be it. They'll still be red. Just because the party ideology evolves doesn't mean it's dying. And, I'm all for a more libertarian conservative movement. If a VIABLE libertarian candidate comes up and can make it, I'll vote for them in a minute.
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    @Slowmo " old Republicans were young Democrats" makes sense, considering the democratic party used to be just as conservative as the GOP is today. We aren't giving the young people enough credit, they know wrong when they see it. They have their own set of morals, and they know which side agrees with their ideas. And the GOP just doesn't connect with the young people. Who happen to think there is nothing wrong with gays, Muslims, or sex. I haven't seen any real evolution in the GOP, the only change is that it's corruption became a lot more damaging than Reagan selling weapons to Nicaragua or Nixon breaking into hotels. I'd vote for a candidate if they were good for America, regardless of their political party.
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    Yes. Maybe we can get back to having wimp GOPers who do everything democrats tell them. Spend us into oblivion for the next 28 generations. YAY !!!!!!!
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    Typical non-thinking propagandist response. When the good guys attack the corruption, call them names like anarchists and hope the mindless sheeple will believe it and be scared into wanting more big brother. Silly sheeple.
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    @Concerned_Cit lol, I've seen many times on here those of the far right calling themselves tea partyists that they believe that Anarchy is a far right political ideology. (because they're morons) while arguing that nazi's are far left. Time and again I've had this argument. I don't need to tell you that though, because I've had it with you. Several times. Now you're taking offense to be called an anarchist. I find it HILARIOUS.
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    @frigginhell I don't recall ever discussing anything with you, but I have read some of your posts and realize what you are, so I guess it's not surprising you imagine some "conversations". And who said I take offense? Project much?
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    Wow never could have seen this coming, LOL. Wait until SS checks stop and businesses are closing for lack of people with cash to shop. We are in the "end times" as Batshite Bachmann says..........of the GOPTBer's.
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    That is because the donors are crony capitalists and the shutdown is hurting their fat pockets. Get these people out of politics. Why should they have more say then us the people
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    Yes it's a good thing that the Republican ship is taking on water. There are not enough life boats for everyone and the smartest, richest doners are fleeing the sinking ship. When you got nothing you got nothing to lose. Those people have a great deal to lose and they a jumping ship.
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    Here is a phrase that nees to be tossed out with the garbage: "True American"
    What is a "true" American? Somebody who worked in the original Tammany Hall? Columbus? Native Americans? Whomever has the most money, looks, talent, or followers? Oh wait, I know...it's anyone who posts an opinion here and thinks they are right......and hates another political party, ethnicity, demographic sector, race, gender, sexual persuasion.........etc. I get it; if you have a different opinion then you aren't a "true" American. Hmmm. Having the ability to listen and understand or empathize with another's viewpoint is what distinguishes an ideologue from a thinker.

    Frankly, the moment I see "like a true American" or some such similar phrase in a post, it's time to skip on down the list to the opinions of those with a capacity to think outside of a narrow little personal echo chamber. I personally don't think I have the answers.......but I damn sure know I don't learn a thing listening to myself or others who think like me. We get two ears and one mouth, but only know how to use the latter.

    What's my point? All the trouble the GOP leaders and supporters find themselves in right now is from refusing to budge outside of their comfort zone. Refusal to "hear" anything but their own inner diatribe. It's a country-wide problem, too. When you travel in this country and leave the city, any city, the radio airwaves dwindle away to an offering of nothing but evangelical or right-wing radio programs, with a little country and rock music. Well, like popular talk-show host Micheal Savage has said, over and over, complaining in disgust about the ignorance of the average "true" American listener: "Republican=GOOOOOOOD. Democrat=BAAAAAAAAD". So, of course, every truck stop in America has FOX news radio blaring on the counter.........and we wonder why a small group of people seem so ignorant of the world around them.

    Now we see pleas for sanity being made by more experienced, rounded, and worldly GOP members who actually have ventured outside the "GOP reality-denial zone" falling on the completely deaf and dumb ears of the Tea Party. Their complete brain euthanization and dysfunction from total immersion into the void of Tea Party ***"truth-speak" is on full display for the nation.
    Good News: Maybe there will be a new market with Centers for Tea Party Deprogramming springing up after this debacle finally ends.......... in the old, empty, buildings where you used to be able to "Pray Away the Gay".

    It's time to head for the exits. I hear New Zealand is nice this time of year........

    (*** with apologies to George Orwell)
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