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  • #28
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    No. What it shows is that the republicans are afraid of an up or down vote. Just like in the house the GOP is afraid. The senate measure got 53 votes. 45 republicans voted against bringing it up for a vote. Republicans are only interested in obstructing. The simplest thing in the world would be for the house to hold an up or down vote on the clean CR that the senate has already voted on.
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    @PNWest

    You miss the point. Your President is a bald face liar and you still protect him.

    I will not negotiate.

    I will negotiate.

    I will not negotiate.

    Let's negotiate, but I want everything I asked for and you get nothing.

    There I negotiated.

    Now the most bipartisan compromise comes forth and Harry Reid and the other democrats say no.

    Tell me how they are negotiating.

    Quick spouting off mindless rhetoric.

    I will pose the same questions to you that I did to @NolanVoyd. This is at the crux of the debate.

    Why is it okay for my premiums to go up where I can barely pay them to pay for others who can't afford it?

    Where is 'healthcare' a right? And Why?

    And what business is it of BHO and you if I choose to have health care or not?

    Answers: It's not. It's not. and It's not.

    Please answer these questions, then we will talk.
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    @CCR "Now the most bipartisan compromise comes forth and Harry Reid and the other democrats say no." - In case you are not aware of it the bill in question was blocked by the GOP. Just plain and simple obstruction by a bunch of crybaby losers.

    Nineteen times the senate democrats tried to sit down with you and nineteen times you blocked it.

    4/23 Senator Reid requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Toomey blocked.

    5/6 Senator Reid requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Cruz blocked.

    5/7 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator McConnell blocked.

    5/8 Senator Warner asked unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator McConnell blocked.

    5/9 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator McConnell blocked.

    5/14 Senator Warner asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator McConnell blocked.

    5/15 Senator Wyden asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator McConnell blocked.

    5/16 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Lee blocked.

    5/21 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Paul blocked.

    5/22 Senator Kaine asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Rubio blocked.

    5/23 Senator McCaskill asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Lee blocked.

    6/4 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Rubio blocked.

    6/12 Senator Kaine asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Lee blocked.

    6/19 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Toomey blocked.

    6/26 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Cruz blocked.

    7/11 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Marco Rubio blocked.

    7/17 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Mike Lee blocked.

    8/1 Senator Durbin requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Marco Rubio blocked.

    10/2 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Toomey blocked.

    So don't give me any more crap about compromise. It's not about compromise - it's about obstructionism. The American people know it and are going to punish you in 2014 and beyond.

    Finally let me answer your questions -
    "Why is it okay for my premiums to go up where I can barely pay them to pay for others who can't afford it? Where is 'healthcare' a right? And Why? And what business is it of BHO and you if I choose to have health care or not?" - the answer - BECAUSE IT'S THE LAW. If you don't like it then either win elections and change it or move to Somalia or Haiti where they don't have laws like this.
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    See you can't answer the question. And there were 14 piecemeal bills passed by the House to fund the Gov't and Reid said no.

    Your liberal lies are showing.

    If you can't answer those questions, it just shows how misinformed and in support of a law you don't know what it has in it.

    That is pitiful.

    And shows that you have no defense except "it's the law." Just because something is a law doesn't make it right. Guess you can't defend it.

    You've stooped to a childish response. I liken that to "I'm taking my toys and going home."

    If you cannot tell me where in the Constitution it gives you or anyone a right to do those things, then don't worry about replying.

    It's clear you've replied with all the intellect you possess and it has resulted into a temper tantrum.

    Good day sir.
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    So the democrats in the senate vote down their on democrat backed bill,obama backs out of short term fix he supported.Starting to become easier to see where the problem lyes is it not?
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    How the media is shaping Obama's Govt Shutdown---

    "Despite a Friday afternoon meeting with GOP senators that has led to anticipation that a solution is near on both the partial government shutdown and the debt ceiling showdown, President Barack Obama remains in an intense public relations war with the Republican-led House of Representatives. He believes that the compliant media will back up his most outrageous actions, even as he tries to magnify the crisis for the average American. The Wall Street Journal quoted a senior administration official last week as saying,“‘We are winning…It doesn’t really matter to us’ how long the shutdown lasts ‘because what matters is the end result.’”

    The reason President Obama believes he is winning, and can continue to win the current showdown with Republicans over the partial government shutdown and the debt-ceiling hike, is his confidence that the media will continue to support him—no matter how irresponsibly he acts. And the October 8th presidential press conference demonstrated why he is justified in taking the media’s bias for granted. It was a shameful performance, by both Obama and the media." (Quoted in part from the following link)

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    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/...
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    @Cal

    The only loons are those that supple from the Lame-stream media, which I might add -- 77% of Americans no longer trust for the truth, according to a recent Gallup poll.

    What your problem is Missie, you don't know sic'em......
    Your source; Network solutions is located in Scottsdale, AZ, not CFP. which is an affiliate of Godaddy.com , the worlds largest 'Domain REGISTRAR.' Get it?

    Furthermore, I doubt if your old enough to qualify to wag your tail in these environs. <wink>
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    Obama keeps saying compromise, compromise....we see whos not compromising. If anyone is holding the country hostage, its HIM!!
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    That message reminds me of hitler blaming the trade unions for the economic calamity orchestrated by the fascists. Unfortunately many germans believed him just like americans believe fox news.
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    I say let's default. It would be the best thing we could do for our future. Let's take the pain now, and cut spending so the future is brighter. Just think if Detroit had cut spending they wouldn't be bankrupt now.

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    America, rightward!
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    "I say let's default. " - OK Neo. Now don't come back later and blame any of this on the democrats. This is what the tea party right of the republican party wants. Now own it and don't try to claim that your side was ever trying to act responsibly.
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    @PNWest I say let's default. Democrats won't deal, so screw 'em AND, I'll be coming back later to continue to blame Democrats for all of this, because without their massive big-government expenditures, we wouldn't be in the world of economic hurt we are currently in. Modern liberals are the face of all that is wrong in today's United States.
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    @PNWest Yup. Our man-child President, Mr. "I won't deal" Barack Obama, is the single person most to blame for division in Washington, D.C., and thus, the current "slimdown".
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    "I say let's default." If that's your view, then you are obviously not a fiscal conservative as you claim. No true fiscal conservative wants the U.S. to default on paying what it already owes.
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    When I say "house republicans" I mean Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Rand Paul and the likes who are actually fighting for what their constituents want them to.
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    Oh you mean like the gun control laws they blocked despite the majority of Us citizens supporting them. Methinks they are fighting for the NRA not the constituents because lets face it, the NRA pay more.
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    @Cal

    i was exampling the people who example my values concerning this situation....sorry if you did not understand that.
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    Apparently that blurb at the end could use some fact checking...

    Obama: People are kinda nervous about the ACA I'll let em slide for a while.

    Reps: You know, the ACA has shown to have some problems, why not give everybody a delay while they get sorted out?

    Obama: No

    Reps: Why not?

    Obama: Cause you'll just waste time trying to repeal it.

    Reps: True, but it's still your baby, you can have people reading through it and fixing more problems that might come up.

    Obama: No

    Reps: Why not?

    Obama: Because it's MY baby, it's the law, and by gosh we're gonna put it into effect when I say.

    Reps: But why can't we even have a delay like you already gave out?

    Obama: Cause all you do is vote to repeal, Amaerica wants and needs healthcare reform. Besides, you're Republicans

    Reps: Yeah, but the majoity of those who elected US don't want your version of it.

    Obama: You wouldn't be where you are if the districts were drawn fairly. You just hate me because I'm black.

    Reps:...

    Obama: I won't negotiate, who cares if the people who elected YOU don't like the law, even if you did get the votes to repeal i'll veto anyway.

    Reps: You just hate us cause we're white.

    Obama:...

    In unison: Bigot! Libtard!

    annnnd scene....
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    The debt ceiling will have to be tied to spending cuts to pass, neither democrats or republicans will have it any other way.
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    @FordPrefect

    Cruz seems unrelenting in his push to slow down the ACA implementation and this may be the end of negotiations Hope they reach an agreement to leave the ACA out of it and concentrate on spending cuts. Let the ACA destroy itself or prove itself by fully implementing it so we actually fell and see the result. If it fails then Obama and the democrats will be totally responsible. If it's a success they benefit.
  • #102
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    Yeah sure - just like they did over gun control laws which they blocked despite massive support from the public for them. The NRA speaks louder than constituents. $$$$$$$
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    @UKviewpoint

    Listen Mr. Socialist

    I am certainly glad the NRA speaks....Because thats what I pay for with my Membership!!!!!
  • #179
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    @Vance1 You don't need to pay them for that. They get enough money from the arms manufacturers to easily cover their brainwashing and bribery costs.
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    I am happy in the UK where nobody has guns thank you very much, not even the criminals or the police and our homicide rate is one quarter of the US rate.
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    Obama care is broke before it even got out of the gate, giving the president an increase in spending is like giving an drunk a drink. Postpone health care act for a year, no more vacations for congress until a budget is reached by the majority and endorsed by the minority. Send the President to basic business school so he will have some knowledge of how to run a government, it is clear he does not. Charge him for his education this time as now he can afford it!
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    Not one cent of spending ever comes from the president. ALL spending comes from Congress. Maybe you should educate yourself about how the government is run.
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    Pay the countries past due bills and keeping the US government open and operational is nonnegotiable. End of story. These folks who believe it's acceptable to hold the nation hostage until they get what they want are un-American and will face the consequences for there actions. To place in doubt the credit of America and to create uncertainty means you HATE America. If you hate the US government so much then why in the hell are those folks suck it dry themselves and are on the Government payroll. Like Tea Baggers there actions make no sense.
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    @BlackHeywood

    Obama is holding the nation hostage until he gets what he wants just as much, if not more, than the Republicans. I guess that must mean he's un-American.

    When you have a pocket full of maxed out credit cards, is your creditworthiness not in doubt? If your argument is valid, and I'm not saying it isn't, then ALL those who worked to continually increase the debt ceiling must HATE America.

    While I have no doubt that the Republicans' runaway spending on wars and bases around the world that do little to actually protect US citizens are sucking the Nation dry, the Democrats' runaway spending on feel-good projects that we can't afford either are doing their share to suck the Nation dry. Railing at one while blithely supporting the other makes no real sense.

    By the standard you've set, it would appear the Democrats HATE American as much as any of the Tea Baggers.
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    @S_Bumgardner --The President is not holding the country hostage, he's said open the government, raise the debt limit and we can negotiate which is fair and reasonable. These are Bills that Congress owe because the money was approved, how is making America a deadbeat nation Patriotic. The same rings true with shutting down the government, who loses the country. It's more costly to close the government and reopen it that is to close it down. You do understand once the government does re-open the employees will get paid and also get hours and hours of OVERTIME to catch up. Your logic doesn't make sense. The ACA is not going to be delayed, repealed or placed on the table period.What is so hard for some Folks to understand. I guess FOOD STAMPS are "feel good" projects, how about taking some of the tax deductions that YOU and others like you receive since you believe the government is spending to much money. Let's start there.
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    @S_Bumgardner this health care legislation he passed was passed in 2008 after negotiations, why the hell are you bone heads making it sound as though this wasn't settled years ago WITH negotiations? it was, and it passed. this only demonstrates what is permissible in politics, so when the republicans pass something in the future, democrats know it's perfectly good politics to hold the debt ceiling hostage. fantastic.
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    @BlackHeywood

    The Republicans, for all their faults, have offered compromises. President Obama has said "NO" to all of them. The issue is the raising of the debt ceiling, about which Mr. Obama has been totally inflexible. In order to make a dramatic political statement the President has spent money to keep We The People out of the National Parks that WE own. The President has hired renta-cops to keep people out of otherwise wide open spaces. Sorry, say what you will, this is all for show. Nothing about it is fair and reasonable by any fair and reasonable definition of fair and reasonable. Like it or not, President Obama is holding the Nation hostage no less, and perhaps moreso, than the Republicans.

    The Government is still taking in tax money, so there's no reason the Government can't service its actual debts. If the Federal Government goes into default, it will have been a choice, not a situational requirement. This threat is just more grandstanding.

    If furloughed government employees get paid for the time off it should either be in lieu of vacation, or they should have to work the time. My employer does not give me free money. Yours? If they're shut down I'm at home with no pay. Period. So, no need for overtime.

    President Obama delayed portions of the ACA, why can't Congress? After all, the authority to pass law lies solely in the Congress. Technically any Executive Order that is beyond executive branch operational details is not actually constitutional. The ACA can most certainly be delayed or repealed. That is the nature of law. Currently the issue is that Mr. Obama has refused, and that's not the spirit of compromise.

    The ACA may well be currently considered law, but there is nothing in the Constitution that authorizes the Federal Government to do what is in the ACA. As such, it is unconstitutional. Before you say it, the Supreme Court held that the Feds have a right to tax. They did not address the question of the constitutionality of the ACA itself. That is yet to come, and come it will. If We The People give up and allow this illegal law to stand, we will have effectively thrown the Constitution in the trash, an action I, and all other patriots in the land, will never, ever, accept.

    Yes, food stamps are a feel good project. There is no natural right to food. In fact, all of the social welfare programs are feel good projects. All of them. From the earliest philosophers who addressed the question, the natural rights were Life, Liberty, and Property (also called Estate). None argued that anyone had to give those things to us, only that once we had them, they were ours. Food. Housing. A phone. None of those things are on that list. So no, not rights, just feel good projects.

    As to my tax situation, I take the standard deduction. I do not itemize. I did itemize once many years ago and found it to be more of a hassle than I feel like dealing with, so I never did it again. Do you not take the standard deduction?

    Note that your use of "others like you" is a prejudiced assumption. For shame. You do not know me. You do not know how much I make, how much in taxes I pay, or how much I willingly give to charity. Any assumptions you may make in that regard bring shame upon you. Tsk tsk. I certainly make no such assumptions about you.

    If the government were not spending too much money we would not be at the debt ceiling yet again. The debt ceiling was created to help the Congress face the need to control its spending. This is a problem with both the Republicans and Democrats. You see, contrary to what many seem to think, the government has no money of its own. They stick their hands into the pockets of We The People and help themselves. Done on the street we call that robbery.
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    Both sides are accually starting to be amusing at the expense of the American people and there will be hell to pay on election day for both sides
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    I think the democrats idea of compromise and holding up deals go like this, ok we will give you spending cuts but we wont go through with our part. Or we will do the exact thing but word it slightly different and call it compromise ( I.E the so called compromise about religious grounds to Obamacare etc.)
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    Usually, when a modern liberal accuses someone of doing something, it's because liberals themselves are already guilty of it.
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    The Gop, and Gop house has been trying to with a stern we will not negotiate or compromise from the white house period.
  • #38
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    Reading the responses from the left-leaners is somewhat confusing.

    The Democrats control the senate so if every Democrat supported this how did it fail? Seems that there are some fiscally responsible Dems in the senate who aren't prepared to just let Obama keep increasing the national debt.

    Perhaps they expected to see some kind of improvement from the $5.8 trillion that was spent during Obama's first term. Or maybe they just want to get re-elected.
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    Maybe we'll finally see what would have happened had we never bailed out the banks! It will be interesting, because even though this impasse info has been out for hours, the stock market futures are up over 140pts.! All of America is being played with by global banks, like Goldman Sachs & Chase! Our Congress and the President represent them, not the people!
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    The republicans have completely and totally capitulated on Obamacare. You don't hear them talking about it any more. Now they are just obstructing for the heck of it.

    The bill that was rejected by the Senate had the support of every democrat - it was the republicans who blocked it.
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