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  • #26
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    It could very well be a disaster. Time will tell. And hopefully a short time. But if that is the overall feeling, the GOP should have let it fail on its own instead of the fiasco that they have before them. It is hard to prove a failure before it has a chance to fail.
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    @Crashd1

    I have stated that since day one.
    Republicans should have staid out of it, Democrats could have taken the blame for absolutely all of it.
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    Voted up in error. Vance, a statement like that deserves some evidence. You have none. As a matter of fact, there are real stories daily of grateful people who are finally able to get medical insurance. That sounds more like RESOUNDING SUCCESS to non-bigoted folks.
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    And all thanks to the Tea Party. Well done Ted, your Republican sabotage worked a treat. The democrats owe you big time.
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    naaah, it'll be same ol' sh1t. like rudimentary creatures of habit they just can't help themselves. look at rancid pubis', err, reince priebus' autopsy of the TPGOP's 2012 failures and what they need to do to change. there's NONE of that out there. it's been a total mission fail so far.
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    Excellent article @PolitixDavid. As I'm sure that you'll see from the conservative posters here on Politix the rabid right wing in America still thinks they are winning.

    It's too bad for the republicans that John Boehner is such a coward. He could have easily stood up to the kooks on the right and cut a deal early that would have actually been in the republicans best interest. Instead he has arguably destroyed the party.
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    No one is winning anything, the entire nation has lost. We shut the government down and now looking a defaulting on our debt with no compromise in sight. Where is the win? It is all about power, noting else, pure and simple. If Democrats get control of the house, senate and presidency, maybe they will take responsibility for their actions, this all started when that was the case. Republicans need to step back, let ACA progress to the point all citizens understand what it is and what the cost is, if it is a huge success then let them have the glory, if it fails, stop blaming and simply change it.

    If our leaders were leaders instead of power hungry idiots, we would have agreements on all issues and the nation would be moving forward. Right now we are deadlocked and headed on a downward spiral. The question that should be asked is "Whats good for the nation?" not how can my party prevail. Both Democrats and Republicans are responsible for where we are, the citizens need to address that problem and don't elect the current gangs in the senate and house , elect persons that represent the nation.
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    @Hillofbeans Destroying the GOP is an excellent way to do it. Thanks, Boehner! BTW most people I know are no longer even trying to be polite with the pronunciation of his name. Face it, it's boner.
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    @Hillofbeans
    the TP BRATS for workers?

    PLEASE!! What a laugh and a half.

    All the brats care about is themselves and the $$$$$ they receive from the Koch Brothers et al. The TP has NEVER given a damn about people, EVER.
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    The Beltway political science majors' obsession with polls is what's wrong with Washington today. If I were an elected leader there, I'd fire all my staff with PoliSci degrees and hire random citizens from the phonebook in their place.
    In 2014 and 2016, who really believes the voters will care about the shutdown, other than federal workers? But, they WILL care when Obamacare raises their taxes, lowers their living standards, and remember which party tried to end it over 40 times.
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    That's like saying that if you don't like your doctor you'll hire some random guy off the street to excise that nasty tumor.
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    Except you're comparing apples and oranges. The previous health care plans wouldn't treat pre-existing conditions, could drop you from coverage, and had lifetime limits that were easily reached in a serious illness. The new health coverage has none of those limitations. Regardless, in my state the rates are lower than they were before Obamacare took effect. I don't know where the numbers you are quoting came from, but it is not the case for us.
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    Perspectives are different than mine. Too me it looks as if Tea Party still has high grip on a very long bar of leverage.
    What I'm reading is both frustration and desperation from Democrats.
    I don't hear any one Tea Party politician slinging childish names at Democrats but sure hear, see and read a lot of childishness coming from Democrats.
    When Democrats truly want to get serious they will sit down at the table and work an amicable agreement as adults.
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    They are too busy fighting the working class for high taxes to give the entitlement crowd to talk rationally about anything.
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    @Hillofbeans

    Bingo.
    Anytime they talk about taxing the wealthiest one percent, somehow or another the bar is lowered to snag upper middle class and small business owners.
    Two classes that are a growing trend in Tea Party growth.
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    @daclark1911

    Every time I see some member of the Peter Pan generation posting here about “winning,” I just think of Charlie Sheen and chuckle.
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    @daclark1911 Whether you like it or not tax increases AND spending cuts are inevitable if you want to pay of the trillions of dollars debt you have built up. Spending cuts alone are not enough but you cannot get the tea party to concede that. Is that rational enough for you?
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    If you turn out to be in error, will you then take the time to find out why you saw it wrong?

    The GOP was supposed to do that after the election they knew they were going to win, but they decided it was too painful.
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    I'm not saying the government shouldn't be fiscally responsible, but this brinksmanship bullshit is not the way to govern. Under this crap, any side that sees it has a very slight chance to get something pass in their favor, will go full blast to try to get it. Be damned all the procedural rules and consequences of not getting any thing passed. With this "undemocratic" political process, nothing can get done and the public suffers.
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    @harold_lloyd We had one of them many years ago called the Magna Carta but we gave it to the US, Australia and Canada. Then we got rid of it as it was full of holes.
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    What an article! This liberal media bubble is going to pop right along with the liberal bubble. There are just too many workers in this country to take this without a fight.
  • #27
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    Spin spin spin! It's been effective so far but that game won't stand when people's paychecks come into play. That's a topic of FACTS and the emotional-based rhetoric will fall in its wake.
  • #120
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    @hankf68 What do you see? I see and hear many different things. Folks are fed up with government being about more government. I see a change coming, whether it be elections or more drastic, the ways things are today and the direction is going to end.
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    Was just a question, asked you first, was your comment, but as far as I believe brother, I see revolution unless there be change, but I am a dreaming, tree hugging , peace loving believing "crazy" in many eye...we shall see though, I may no be so crazy after all and if I am, so the better :)
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    @HughAkston I don't see any scared Democrats. I see reinvigorated Democrats who are thrilled to watch the "new blood" sabotage the Republican Party from within. I live in Washington state, and the "new blood" took hold in our Republican Party about twenty years ago, and we haven't had a Republican governor or senator since. Don't misunderstand me; I don't think one-party rule is a good idea. However, if the Republican party keeps a center based around the values of the Tea Party, which are held by a small percentage of the electorate, that's exactly what we'll end up with.
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    Not sure why some of the Republican leadership haven't yet been charged with extortion and racketeering.
    Heads need to roll.
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    The administration should be charged for several crimes: Fast & Furious, Benghazi, Solendra, etc., etc.
  • #139
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    Would that be like the liberal media bubble that thought Obama would win the election in 2012, unlike the more accurate conservative media who knew that Romney would win?
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    There is no question in my mind that Obamacare is going to be a total disaster. But, the smarter way for the Republicans to deal with it was not to get in the way and let everything happen on its own. Right now the Democrats get to position the Republicans as fools, as many of them actually are, but not the ones people think. It is the old line Republicans that have to go, not those with a libertarian bent.
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    You're absolutely correct. The struggle in the Republican party is between the old blood and the new blood. An axiom of life is that nobody voluntarily relinquishes power, there is always a struggle. What's happening in the Republican party is the normal course of things but it's got the Democrats scared sh*tless! This ain't the good old Republicans like John McCain that'll cave for "Senate comity". These new guys will go to battle and be just as scummy as the Democrats are.
  • #46
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    We have too many wise old foxes in Democrats and a very immature republican party that must be wise to win battles incrementally or not at all.
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    @HughAkston as a victim, err, resident, of a legislative district which one of the major tea party clowns allegedly represents, I can guarantee you that the music they play is to a very select and small group village idiots who know far far less than any "scummy" democrat. these a-holes do absolutely squat good for anyone.

    pull your head out.
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    @northernpuppy The same thing will happen to those wise old foxes in the Democrat party in a few years. You will have young Democrats with their own visions that will go to war with the old guard just as is happening with the Republicans. They are not immune from such things.
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    @filbertbrazil Yeah so? What's your point? It's a power struggle. You think any of these guys Democrat or Republican give a crap about you or your district? You pull your head out of your butt, this is politics guy.
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    I've read it and I agree with most. the problem with the site - as I with my tiny brain see it - is that it's too strident in tone to really attract others not already "in the know." it needs to be toned down to get the message across to more people. just mho.
  • #5
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    Obamacare is a bust but the republicans should have given Obama everything and set back and said "told you so" before the 2014 and 2016 elections. Now the best thing to do is walk up and say we quit! You want Obamacare-you got it, you want a dictator-you got him too. You want more useless spending-you can have that. but from here on out we will not negotiate with Obama ever again. That's what I would say if I was Boehner.
  • #68
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    "Obamacare is a bust"

    How do you know?
    Wouldn't it seem a tad more objective if you let it actually go into effect before you characterize it in any way?

    It's things like this that makes it impossible to have much respect for your opinions..
  • #96
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    @harold_lloyd Medicare reimbursements to doctors have been drastically declining and reimbursements under Obamacare are projected to be lower still.

    How many doctors will be around in a few years if they're payments keep getting smaller?

    Think about it.
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    @UKviewpoint haha exactly!! There is a reason republicans are looked at in worse light right now than any other point in history. They have become a serious joke.
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  • #30
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    I predicted that John Boehner wouldn't let the shutdown happen because his members were happy enough to continue sequestration and cut entitlements -- the deal he had brokered with Harry Reid before Ted Cruz read "Green Eggs and Ham."

    It certainly seems they overplayed their hand and it looks like they may wind up having to give some things back, like ending sequestration. It could have gone the other way. Boehner could have told Reid to go F himself and deal with a shutdown unless Senate Dems agreed to longer sequestration and deeper cuts. Instead the Speaker told the Majority Leader he'd let the government shut down unless they agreed to defund Obamacare? Something he was never going to get? He could have gotten more cuts to the budget, lots of cuts to the budget, if he hadn't insisted on Obamacare. That was a no go from the beginning.

    Boehner could have gotten something close to privatization of Social Security if he had agreed to leave Obamacare alone. He could have gotten more cuts to food stamps. Obama and Senate Dems would have sooner given up funding for PBS and the National Endowment for the Arts, than defund Obamacare. Boehner could have had that too. But now he's getting nothing. Maybe the Dems will take pity and just insist that he stick to the original agreement he made with Reid. But they're pretty pissed about the shutdown, they might make him give back some things.
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    I like your your informative articles. Why wasn't anyone promoted a serious third party with numbers high enough to control votes? This is a perfect time to enact laws allowing other parties as much money as Dems and Repubs. Runaway election costs the supremes have allowed are sickening. All money for elections should go to an election fund with every party tapping it for campaign money. The Supreme Court Justices along with congressmen seriously need drug and alcohol tested. The decisions made are to important and affect us more than train wrecks so they shouldn't be exempt from tests daily drivers put up with when they have an accident.
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    I don't care so much about whether Congress is populated with "liberal", "conservative" or "Tea Party" types. I would like to insist on "smart", though.
  • #100
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    If you watch c span wouldn't a time clock letting us know how much time our congressmen spend in the halls of congress while they are in session help. I've seen it empty as hell while someone talks to the chairperson who is looking at facebook on their phone.
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    Boehner & Co have surrendered to the American Taliban/Domestic Terrorist tea party...now they can enjoy that incredibly STUPID decision, and all that comes along with it...
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    If the Democrats insist on an increase to sequester funding levels as the latest article suggested, they might be handing it back...right now many Americans are pretty pissed at both!

    Especially if (more likely when) Obama Care turns out to be a real train wreck after all this shit and a shutdown who knows what will be up by then.
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