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    A lot of Americans don't want to know the truth about the government. There are many who still want America to be the most powerful place on earth at all costs.

    More than ever we need whistleblowers to let us know what is going on behind the scenes. These people put their very lives at risk to let the rest of us know the truth about our government. We should be thankful to them.
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    If we could trust our government, there would be no need for whistleblowers. That said, I feel a definite need for a few of them. Of the people, by the people & FOR the people. What ever happened to that philosophy?
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    Whistleblowing is not treason when the whistleblower releases the documents in order to rectify horrifying policies and procedures.

    It becomes treason when the person does it to hurt their country or give an advantage to another.

    It's a fuzzy line and very difficult to discern the two sometimes.
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    @jond414 Since he didn't and she wasn't a secret agent- not even similar.

    Armitage outed her. And she wasn't a covert op. If she was, she needed to pick a more super secret name than "Valerie Plame" (Her real name)

    You're welcome for the history lesson.
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    @jond414 since he would have been in jail with out Bush commuting the sentence, that is not a very good example.
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    @drpeeper - The CIA disagrees with you... They believe that the Plame leak caused lots of harm... And we do not know what kind of covert operations she was engaged in... But when Plame (a NOC) was outed, so was her cover company. You should take a look at the relationship between Brewtser Jennings and ARAMCO.

    You're welcome for the current events lesson.
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    You are correct, Whistleblowers are patriots. Neither of the two referenced in the article are Whistleblowers, they are traitors.
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    @GenPatton - So when our government clearly breaches the 4th amendment, and Snowden informs the public he's a traitor? Really now. Seems to me you don't care about your rights. At least I care about your rights. I'll also defend them for you.
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    @kirbstomp1 Snowden and every other person who is entrusted with classified information signs a non-disclosure agreement and is instructed on the proper channels to utilize in reporting activities that are, in their eyes, illegal. Neither Snowden or Manning followed the procedures. Had they done the right thing I would be cheering them. I defended our rights for 22+ years in uniform and continue to serve this Great Nation. I don't think I need your assistance if you are willing to support law-breakers. Thanks anyway.
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    @GenPatton - just because something is a law doesn't make it right. Do we not have disclosure laws that the government doesn't follow properly. Im sorry, but I pay for this country to function and if im footing the bills I want to know what my money is going towards. hate to break it to you but im not going to pay for someone to spy on me, when they can even balances check book. Let's get real, I appreciate your service but being a government apologist, well quite frankly is sad. Regardless of what you may think you fought 22 years to make sure we maintain our rights, and now you calling people traitors that are trying to show the American Public that our government is trying to take our rights away that you have fought for. You may want to step back and reanalyze whose side you're on.
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    @kirbstomp1 What's sad is how ignorant and misguided you are when understanding how the govt works. As genpatton has said there is a path to "expose" the information, if you choose to on your own, meaning you think your individual position and knowledge is greater than the ones who deemed the information classified. This level of hubris should be paid for with severe penalties.

    The funniest thing is that these programs were extended to the current levels under obama, and the blind continue to follow. Yeah we need to give these people more of our money.
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    If politicians had their way. Oh wait they already do, and when they get outed for the dirty shit they do like the NSA you're a traitor to them.
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    I like whistleblowers, think we shod brand them hero's most of the time for having the balls to stand up and speak out.
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    I agree. Of course the Gov will try and brand someone a traitor who exposes their illegal and evil activities. Just like a bully in grade school who gets mad attacks someone for telling on them. They have this attitude like they're above the law and above accountability. It's audacious and wrong. Its not much different than how the mafia kills witnesses.
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    This was supposed to be the most transparent administration in history, according to Obama's campaign promise in 08, so these two should be getting Obama awards instead of being called traitors.

    Just more proof, never ever trust what a person campaigning for office says or promises.
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    I find it interesting that we have apparently come a full circle. It was too long ago that a right wing site would not even have questioned what to do with military whitleblowers. Right wingers would have called for their head. What has changed? Black President maybe?
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    @alexpinca Blah blah blah........out comes the race card. It's so predictable. When Hillary Clinton is elected president we'll be hearing blah blah blah sexism for a minimum of four years. Once again predictable.
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    @HughAkston ---- You said a whole lot of nothing.....but right wing BS again and again and again. Weren't you right wingers the ones that use to praise the red, white and blue and call for anyone's head that would violate securitiy!!! Now we have a Black President and all that has changed...WHY?
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    @alexpinca Racist racist blah blah blah..........nobody really cares any longer. It's like the F-bomb, it lost all its shock value. Racism is something you say when you really have nothing else to say.
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    @Politic-n Because they've given the enemy very valuable intelligence on how the NSA gathers information. Now terrorists can use counter-avenues to communicate, for now at least.
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    It depends on the perception of the masses. Manning and Snowden did, basically, the same thing. Manning revealed the duplicity and stupidity of diplomats and military but was condemned as a "traitor". Snowden made far more dangerous revelations regarding information gathering by the NSA and was branded a "hero". Manning revealed no dangerous secrets and is doing 35 years in prison. Snowden is still walking free. The comprehension of the masses is , to put it politely, "confusing".
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    Snowden is not exactly walking free... rather a fugitive, and if he makes the mistake of returning to the US... or a country that will extradite, he is in jail...
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    @LEC Very probably LEC but at the moment he is about as free as anyone can be in the new Tsar Putrids Russia.
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    @ErnestPayne

    Ah all the screwed up governments of the world.... women really need to take over, completely.
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    @LEC Ah you might want to look at what Banderanake (sp?) did to Sri Lanka and Thatcher did to the UK. That being typed it would be difficult for them to be as dreadful as some males.
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    Whistleblowers that show the people the crimes their country is committing are all heroes, regardless of the occasional harm to the real interests of the country, unless that harm can be proven intentional. The most recent cases of Manning and Snowden showed how criminal our country has been acting without actually disclosing any real Security information by Snowden, and possibly a tiny bit by Manning. I hope a future president gives Manning a full pardon.
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    They are traitors because they illegally released information that they were charged with protecting, they took an oath and they violated that oath. It does't matter whether or not that that information is unfavorable or not, if they felt that something was illegal or being covered up they had other legal options that wouldn't have put them in prison or on the run.
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    Of course they are ... you know our government is always right and anyone who questions or disagrees is a racist, terrorist, or traitor right?
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    The extensive article above says it all. The Chicago Politician mindset is constantly at work and as always, is at its best people! Obama so enjoys all he's learned from them, for it makes him look so superior in any situation he's confronted with.
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    Neither Manning nor Snowden are whistleblowers they are both traitors. Both deserve to spend the rest of their lives in jail.
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    BSht. The government's warrentless spying program on millions of Americans is unconstitutional, overreaching, and is an attack on the rights of citizens. Snowden exposing it gave the opportunity for an accountability that is much needed in our government. If the government is doing wrong, the wrong should be exposed. Breaking the law is breaking the law..even if its the government who's doing it. ESPECIALLY if its the government who's doing it. Them trying to brand whistleblowers as traitors is no different than when a grade school bully attacks someone after class for telling on them. It's similar in character with how the mafia gets rid of witnesses.
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    Ok there is no such thing as Chelsea Manning, Bradley Manning on the other hand is a traitor plain and simple. He didnt expose the Govment illegally spying on Americans, he didn't expose Police brutality on U.S soil. He stole millions of documents and gave them to the terrorist.
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    The key point in my view is that in accepting the secret clearance you sign documents agreeing to the handling of classified information. They violated their oath and deserve to be put away forever. A number of the more severe leakers (not mentioned much in the media) end up being handled "under the radar", a practice I agree with. Snowden violated a pledge made to the US and should suffer severe punishment. I think the 35 years for manning is too light, as a member of the military the oath you swear is even greater than that of an individual with a clearance. In my opinion the word traitor is appropriate for both and they should endure the harshest punishment available.
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    It's not rocket science to discern the difference between whistleblower and traitor. The guy who revealed RJR's illegal coverup of their nicotine addiction research was a whistleblower. Why? Because RJR had no business deceiving anyone. They weren't in the spy business, and their activities ( KEEPING THE SECRET) killed millions of Americans.
    Snowden and Manning were traitors, because the agencies they worked for WERE in the spy business, these traitors knew that when they signed their non-disclosure contracts, and the RELEASE of their information put American lives at risk and most likely resulted in American casualties.
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    I have snow dens back and I have mannings back too he's not bad for telling the truth I would have did the same because I obey all laws. I got my own line of morals ten commandments. First
  • #53
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    Why do the voting results come in upside down and backwards? Irritating as hell. Can't read it.
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    They are traitors, pure and simple! They are persons who took an oath and they violated it and they greatly damaged the United States! The U.S.A. is doing nothing different than the other industrialized nations. They all spy! If you don't, you're stupid.

    Manning, Snowden, Allange, they are all despicable little men. Snowden and Manning SHOULD be executed as that used to be the punishment for treason before the bleeding hearts took over. Oh, and BTW, I'm a liberal Democrat!
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