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  • #4
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    The government spies on its enemies only, so says the White House... So are all Americans the enemy of the White House?
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    Because if you were against this while Bush was in office conservatives labeled you a "traitor", or your were "aiding the enemy".

    All it took was a Dem president for them to see the light!
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    Makes a fellow wonder if the NSA has their own version of the Hoover files on all of our trustworthy elected off---icials?
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    What about if your representative most likely voted for it to begin with. You gonna hold em to the same standard, cowboy? Because the Patriot Act is nearly 12 years old now and a lot of the guys who wrote it and passed it that were cheered for it are still there today.
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    @frigginhell your darn right if you have a rep that votes for the patriot act or renewal I would vote against him or her on principal
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    @jpcash When they voted on the Patriot Act it was business as usual in response to a horrific experience. In other words it was the typical "knee jerk" reaction that governments always do. After Columbine and Sandy Hook they did the same thing. They don't use common sense and just pass crap to make it look like they are in charge and looking out for you. And immediately there are problems and when it snow balls they use sentences like " I didn't know, or that wasn't the intent". A big joke and waste of a vote in many cases.
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    @MadAmerican Yeah, because background checks that are supposed to happen anyway is TOTALLY like removing 3 of the first 10 amendments in the constitution, creating two huge bloated govt surveilance programs in the NSA and Homeland security, and starting two wars. Yep... totally equivalent. smh
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    @AceLuby I see the sarcasm but you are correct the patriot act and the wars along with knee jerk reactions 99% of the time are unconstitutional. Background checks will never stop or delay a moron who wants to murder innocent lives. There is always psi cookers or cars to carry out mayham. If you want to solve problems look at root causes not the object to carry them out foreign policy, ignorance and mental health.
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    I'd need to learn more, as all of these laws have some level of BS written into them.

    I do find it hilarious watching conservatives switch sides on this issue just because there is a dem President. I remember being against the patriot act, and every conservative from Limbaugh and Hannity to the putz at the bar would call you unpatriotic or "traitor" if you didn't get in line with the Bush team on this!
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    "Top Secret" "Communications Intelligence" "No Foreigners", LOL. Who are we kidding? Snooping will continue. It's how we find out if other heads of state are conspiring with the Red Chinese to replace the US Dollar with another currency as World Reserve Currency; how we find dirty little secrets and embarrassing details of their lives to 'cultivate' them as our cooperative 'friends', LOL. The monster's been on the loose too long, and it's not just our monster: It's every world power's monster as world. France has been incredibly snoopy for SCORES OF YEARS. If this doesn't have any effect, there's always election day to clean house of every incumbent!!! LOL
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    Did you know the NSA was founded YEARS ago and all laws written before it's existence and since do not apply to it unless the NSA is explicitly named in the language?

    They can pass it and the only thing that will happen is one more artful deceptions via renaming this and that and the show will roll on for much longer with even less than the already non-existent accountability.

    Any concessions made by the Feral Government are never anything more than sleight of hand parlor tricks to perpetuate the illusion that every now and then it actually listens to, hears and responds to it's subjects.
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    @Bumpkin
    See you open your mouth to spread the "truth" and you just end up making everyone associated with you look like conspiracy theorists
    Is the NSA abusing its power? Yes
    Is anything you said backed up in fact? No
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    @Bones Assuming most certainly that you work for the US Fascist Spies, I bet you hate being completely prohibited from FREELY ranting about any and everything you want because you know it would cost you your Feral Government job that ACTUALLY pays you for doing really creepy things that would get you lynched by your neighbors if they had any idea.

    Nope, I sure wouldn't want to be found out to be one of those creeps when it inevitably has strong bright light shone upon it.
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    So just who in congress was with holding those documents? Bet it was a group of high ranking D's and R's who are serving their 10th+ term?
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    We are a free country. Right now we are not. The NSA has to be reigned in and also be held accountable for their past actions that the Patriot Act does not actually give them the thumbs up to do what they have been doing. When our own president is fighting against our own freedoms as spelled out in the constitution namely the fourth amendment, there is something terribly wrong! I am for the passage of the Freedom Act!
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    While it is true that many conservatives went along with Bush and the Patriot Act, they were all acting inconsistently, in opposition to their principles. (Perhaps we all err like that from time to time.) Yet many others of us opposed it on principle then and do so now. Let's not forget the horrible legislation was originally passed by a huge bi-partisan majority just 5 weeks after 9-11 (357-66 in the House and 98-1 in the Senate), and portions or all was renewed in 2005, 2006, 2010, and 2011. House renewal in '11 was 274-144. Let's hope those numbers continue to swing in the direction of liberty.
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    You start with a good initial point, but lets look at those renewal votes. I notice you don't list those numbers, and for good reason, almost NO conservatives voted against it at any time while Bush was in Office. This wasn't a slip or "inconsistency"....i ts what conservatives either wanted, or were to afraid to stand up against!

    The worst part were the hard line conservatives calling those of us who opposed it "traitors"

    Youre right to be embarrassed by the conservative stance of the PA at that time, but you cant change history!
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    @Poltal "lets look at those renewal votes. I notice you don't list those numbers"
    Simple fact is I did not list them because they were not listed in my source, nor could I easily track them down while traveling.

    I'm not necessarily embarrassed. Sickened would be more accurate.

    I would hazzard a guess that this kind of party pressure permeates politics, and that plenty of Dems go along with O, not because they believe but because they are "too afraid to stand up against" him.
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    @ifyoucankeepit I am not just talking about conservative politicians. I am also talking about regular main street conservatives, and of course the talking heads.

    I don't remember ANY conservative I knew criticizing the Patriot act at any time while Bush was in office. A few Libertarians spoke out against it, but very very few conservatives.
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    @Poltal I criticized it every chance I could. Of course, I'm a libertarian with a conservative streak, or a conservative with a libertarian bent.
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    I am glad to see folks finally coming around to supporting freedom. When the Patriot act was first passed (and who could oppose a bill with such a patriotic name?) it had almost unanimous support from both parties and the vast majority of Americans. In fact only 1 US Senator voted against it so had Bush vetoed it, it was veto proof. There was but a handful of politicians that opposed it, you know "kooks" like Ron Paul. The basic key to any legislation in Washington is to ask this question; "Does this bill give more power to the government or does it increase or help insure my freedom?" Once you answer that question, it is easy to determine if you should support the legislation or not.
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    Let's just be sure that you don't have to "pass the bill before you see what is in it." We've heard that crap before. Get it right the first time....don't jump on the band wagon because it looks good...READ THE DAMNED THING BEFORE YOU VOTE ON IT!!
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    Like most bills introduced these days ... the name of the bill is always the opposite of what it does so I'll believe it when I see it!

    ... more than likely this is just another meaningless political stunt meant to distract people's attention away from some other corruption that's taking place.
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