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    Come on now.... she's six. What happened to freedom of religion? Is that kid really hurting anyone by quoting the bible during her Christmas project? I'm an Atheist, and I know the laws. There is no law that says a student can't express their religious faith. The only thing that teacher did was make a little girl cry.
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    People are starting to read "freedom of religion" as exclusively "freedom from religion, and all sight or influences of it."
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    @DyingBreed That is what most want as it becomes a mess with even christian sects fight over dogma.
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    @CVX What about the bloody mess caused by the purge of religions by the soviets in Europe and Asia. They brutally killed over 150 million of their own people to pushed for a society that only advocated atheism.
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    @BrownOne 30 million in Soviet Russia but most were for political reasons. Stalin had fears of an overthrow. Of course we could talk about the Thirty years war in Europe or the Cathars.
    Religion kills humans. Atheism is in itself a religion.
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    As anti-religion as I am, this was an overreach on the teacher's part. The child was hardly about to leap into a hellfire-and-brimstone screed.
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    I agree with that, however I'd be interested to know if this was intentional on the parents behalf (probably not on this one, idk), trying to stir up controversy for a particular agenda, using children to do their dirty work, as I would surmise many of these types of cases are...
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    "Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever."
    Vladimir Lenin

    "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
    Vladimir Lenin
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    The First Amendment prevents teachers and administrators from promoting their religion in school. The students have a First Amendment right to free speech, including religious speech. If the assignment to the class was to report on the family's traditions and those traditions include Bible verses, then she should not have been stopped.

    Of course, if she was disrupting class trying to shove her religion down the throats of other kids, then it would be fully appropriate to stop her.
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    While what the teacher did was wrong, the students don't have a First Amendment right to freedom of speech anymore than they have a right to a Second Amendment right own and bear arms. When they are in school, they have to follow the rules of that school. This was a class assignment, and the teacher absolutely had the ability to deny certain content in it.

    There is a moral issue here of whether the teacher was right or wrong, but I don't think there's a constitutional issue.
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    @Saving_USA actually, there is a Constitutional issue. the child was presenting _her_ tradition, not a school tradition. if the teacher had told the class after the presentation that they should all go home and do likewise, that would be 'respecting an establishment of religion'. making statements that make it appear that school policy supports a specific religion in preference to others would certainly be a violation of the First Amendment. the problem that _did_ occur is that the teacher, in effect, 'prohibit[ed] the free exercise thereof', as a statement of school policy. freedom _of_ religion, not freedom _from_ religion. she made a statement of school policy that made the child feel that she had done something wrong by exercisng her faith - a clear violation of the child's First Amendment protections under the Constitution.
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    Allowing a child to speak of their religion as part of a presentation is promoting a religion, that is allowed by the administration. Obviously I don't blame the child. I blame her parents who should know full well she is not allowed to do this. Her parents are the ones who hurt her, not the teacher.
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    There is a significant difference between a student saying something from the bible and a teacher. Of course given what it takes for most to get teachers licences it is unlikely that many teachers would understand that. It was not as if the kid was preaching or trying to convert someone. She was explaining what went on in her own home.
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    Let's not forget that the Bible is also a historical piece of literature, whether you interpret it literally or not, that overwhelmingly influenced the shaping of Western Civilization along with Christianity in general. How can kids be educated in the history of Western Culture if you can't talk about the Bible in school?
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    Public schools can and do teach courses titled "The Bible as Literature", perhaps in combination with other similar books like the Quran, Torah, Tipitaka, etc. Problem is that the Christian religious right is insulted if the Bible is tought on equal footing or as anything less than what they feel it to be: The Word of God and Absolute Truth.
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    Can't argue with you on that one. There are definitely over-zealous Christians out there that don't quite understand the idea behind the separation of church and state. My comment is mainly a reference to the fact that the teacher unquestionably used the wrong language in her explanation to the little girl on why she wouldn't let her finish the show and tell presentation. Maybe just preventing her from reading actual scripture verses in class may have been sufficient enough to stay politically correct, instead of making the little girl feel like her way of life is somehow inferior or wrong.
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    Indeed!

    The Bible, was not written as a science book, however it does contain a great deal of scientific truth. Before man was aware of what was under the oceans the Bible talked about its "valleys" (2 Sam. 22:16), "springs and fountains" (Gen. 7:11, 8:2; Proverbs 8:28). It also spoke of the Second Law of Thermodynamics – entropy – thousands of years before modern scientist discovered it (Psalm 102:25-26). Through the years many have tried to disprove the Bible through the use of modern science, but have consistently failed. When most of the world believed that the world was flat and supported by pillars or elephants, Job revealed that the earth "hangs on nothing" (Job 26:7).

    And as stated previously, the prophet Isaiah in 40:22 said, "There is one who is dwelling above the circle of the earth." The Bible correctly described the earth as round and hanging in space thousands of years before man finally discovered that it was not flat. I Corinthians 15:39, states that, "all flesh is not the same", the scientific community, due to the "Continuity Theory" of the day, claimed that animal and human blood were exactly alike. But as so frequently has happened, latter scientific discovery proved the Bible correct and the scientific community wrong. Animal flesh is different from that of human.

    "The Bible also gave us excellent medical advice thousands of years before man discovered many of these things on his own. For example, The Bible tells us the circumcision of male babies was to be done on the 8th day (Gen. 17:12). Why? Science has discovered the 8th day is the best day one could have surgery as it relates to the coagulation of blood. On the 8th day only, Prothrombin is produced at 110% of its normal rate and vitamin K at 100%- thus the 2 most important elements to stop bleeding after surgery, are produced at their highest combined rate on the 8th day only.
    Leviticus 14:33-57
    gives health regulations on how to control fungus at home. Deuteronomy 23:12-13 tell us how to handle human waste. Leviticus 15:1-4 gives us directions on isolating those with infectious diseases involving bodily discharges. Venereal disease, and genetic defects are eliminated through prohibitions on adultery, sexual deviations, and divorce. Blood and fat were not to be consumed in Leviticus 7:23-27; God knew about low-fat diets well before man ever discovered it as being the proper way. These health regulations may not seem particularly profound to us today, because of all that we know about nutrition and disease, but most of what we know today was discovered by science in the last 150 years – even though the Bible spoke of these things over 3000 years ago." <quoted in part from: Student venture: The Bible is God's word>

    "The atheists are for the most part imprudent and misguided scholars who reason badly who, not being able to understand the Creation, the origin of evil, and other difficulties, have recourse to the hypothesis the eternity of things and of inevitability." - Voltaire
  • #55
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    This is pathetic. No matter what hussein and the liberal left say, we still have Constitutional rights. This little girls were violated BIG TIME! I have a suspicion that if she had been quoting from a koran nothing would have been said to her....
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    I'm starting to think everybody has gone nuts. Really, what can a child do at school?
    And when that same teacher drops a book down on her toe, we don't want to hear her say GD either.
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    The can do a lot actually:

    http://aclj.org/free-speech-2/federal-guideli... -

    {Most of the time it is because the teachers and/or school does not know enough. Time for us all to get educated. We still have freedoms. Students still have freedoms. DO NOT.....I REPEAT, REITERATE, RESTATE.....DO NOT BELIEVE THE PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS AND THEIR ANTIFREEDOM DEFINITION OF CHURCH AND STATE SEPARATION THAT DOES NOT EXIST.....}
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    @Myopinion69 Indeed. But that STILL does not strip away first amendment expression from students.....seriously.....wha t bothers me is not so much that you don't like Christians, God, Jesus and the Bible but you and others with this mentality will seek to strip the freedoms away that are clearly there for us all and for students of any school.....that is nowhere near what this country was founded on and nowhere near what the Constitution is about.....it is the utter arrogant misleading intentional or otherwise that progressive liberals pull.....ENOUGH!
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    @Knightkore Wrong. There is separation of church and state. What if that child were promoting a business in a public school? If you are so secure about your religious beliefs , you would not have to push it on others. You have other choices other than public school. Use them.
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    @Myopinion69 Your definition is a complete fail and antiAmerica.....either uneducated or brainwashed too heavily by the godless progressive liberalism socialist police state.....
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  • #330
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    What can you expect from an educational system wherein a kindergartner hugs another child and is suspended for sexual harassment...

    ...or a child bites his Pop-Tart into the shape of a mountain and the teacher decides it's a gun...

    ...or when grade-school children holding hands on the playground is banned as "a gateway for sexual activity"...

    ...or when they ban competition (sports, spelling bees, essay writing) and just make everyone a winner to placate the whiners.

    Our system of education is now being run by idiots.

    Soft, whiney, non-winning idiots.
    ...or when
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    @AntiPorcheria and everyone whined when john kerry told the germans that, in america, we have the right to be as stupid as we want.
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    Yes this is total bs this child should be allowed talk about her faith just as I support ANY OTHER KID TO DO THE SAME. Would it not be a great country if kids that came from all faiths could worship in open the way they want. The proplem ive seen first hand growing up in the bible belt has been a far right wing leaning district wanting to post the ten commandments at the front door but not allowing little girls from the mid-east wear head dress. I do not care what the kids do with these side projects such. My thing is be fair to each kid and only teach proven facts smh that should not be to much to ask.
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  • #450
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    @MarianneD From where did you hear that Kids have no faith? That is PURE baloney. And, is it indoctrination for you to teach your children that they came from monkeys (evolution THEORY), or is it just indoctrination for those of us who DO have faith to teach them Biblical principles.

    You know, and I have not researched it to know the exact numbers, but I believe if it were researched, you would find that the children who live in a stable home (father and mother both there), and those who are taught Biblical principles, are far less likely to commit crimes that makes them end up in prison. My children are raised, and both have the type of home I am describing. What I am saying, is that the training of these kids to respect their parents, teachers, policemen, and the others that have authority over them, as well as other people around them, and of course God, commit crimes at a MUCH lower rate than those who are taught no respect for God.
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    Well, the percentage of prisoners of the christian faith is round 70%. Atheists less then 1%. Those are researched numbers.
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    The teacher should have probably just let the kid continue with the story and maybe talked to the parents at a latter date, about the importance of separation of church and state.
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    The student is allowed to incorporate Jesus, the Bible and any scripture they deem fit for any presentation. At best first amendment silences government specifically congress from establishing a national religion. The student is not government and is excercing her freedom.

    http://aclj.org/free-speech-2/federal-guideli... -

    Department of Education acknowledges that students have the right to:
    - express their religious views and address religious themes in the completion of assignments;

    Students may also speak to, and attempt to persuade, their peers about religious topics just as they do with regard to political topics.

    Student assignments:Students may express their beliefs about religion in the form of homework, artwork, and other written and oral assignments free of discrimination based on the religious content of their submissions. Such home and classroom work should be judged by ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance, and against other legitimate pedagogical concerns identified by the school.
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    @Diane-R You can not even spell the word "to" . That is a 2 letter word. You should be the last person judging the intelligence of others.
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    @Myopinion69 HMM....everybody be good. The spelling police are in da haus....
    To many have an opinion about intelligence coupled with writing (the O left out on purpose).....
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    That poor kid. Was the teacher under the impression that NONE of the other kids woukd know what she was reading (from)? It's not like she was holding up a frog and trying to cast a spell.
  • #118
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    Where does it say that a student can not be true to themselves and their upbringing. The SCHOOL as a representative entity of government can not and should not promote, sponsor or endorse any particular religion. That's it. I am an atheist, she is a Christian. We both have a right to express ourselves and be who we are. This is a clear lack of tolerance for individuality and it is wrong.
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    I don't agree with the teacher but I can see the reasoning as to why they stopped it. It was a simple cover my ass move so if any parent filed a complaint that the kid quoted the bible during a presentation they could say they stopped it and keep their job.

    This does show, however, that school administrations appear to be misinformed about how the endorsement of religion works and how a student giving an educational presentation that includes religion is not the same as a teacher leading a prayer or at the very least they just flat out don't want to risk a lawsuit.
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    I disagree with this teacher, but not because I agree with Biblical creation. I think our children should be taught HOW to think, not WHAT to think. Therefore, I think it would be valuable to allow children to have open discussion about Biblical creation AND the theory of evolution.
  • #201
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    I guess 'The Grapes of Wrath' will have to go on the banned books list next. These commies running the schools don't have an ounce of common sense.
  • #87
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    This is definitely unacceptable. The girl should have never been stopped. It was show and tell and she was presenting what she holds dear to her heart. There was no harm here other than a non-religious bigot pushing back.
  • #44
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    That teacher really asserted their dominance over the small child. You powerful individual you. Pathetic little JOBSWORTH!
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    Oh.....I fully expect to one day be in front of a guillotine or firing squad or concentration camp unless Jesus comes back before it gets back.....we heading down that road again.....the signs are there.....
  • #327
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    You have that right! and religion is under terrible attack, We need to read 2 Chronicles 7:14 and follow what it says quick.
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